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Do you think if Rick had made a series about Jason instead of Percy, would we like him more and Percy less?

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Mimi My friend keeps on denying it, but let's all be honest here and admit we would. The only reason we really like Percy, Nico, Thalia, Annabeth, Grover and all of the Greeks is because we've been with them for 5, 6, 7 books. We've been with the Romans for only two and not since the beginning. If it had been about Jason and the Romans for 7 books and Percy and the gang for only two would you really love the Greeks as much? Don't be like my friend and insist you would love Percy just the same and Jason the same. I'd love to think I'd love Percy more, but if we heard Jason's story instead of Percy's...don't you agree it wouldn't be the same?


message 2: by Lani (last edited Sep 15, 2013 12:10PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Lani I don't know, maybe we would. I have a feeling we will get to know him better in the next couple of books. I still think I would like Percy better because of his personality.


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Mimi wrote: "My friend keeps on denying it, but let's all be honest here and admit we would. The only reason we really like Percy, Nico, Thalia, Annabeth, Grover and all of the Greeks is because we've been wit..."

Yes, if the Romans were introduced first instead of the Greeks before HOO, a lot of people would hate the Greeks.

The reason a lot of people hate the Romans right now is because the Romans don't have their own book series that would have allowed the readers to judge the Greeks and Romans fairly and without prejudice. If Riordan made a book series about the Romans after the PJO series, there would be less people disliking the Romans in HOO. The Kane Chronicles and Percy Jackson crossover, Son of Sobek, did not have this problem because Carter Kane and the Egyptians had their own book series that already had a fan base.

Oh, and also, Heroes of Olympus is not as good as the PJO series or the KC series because most of the characters in the series are flat even the ones that had previous character development such as Annabeth, Nico, and Percy. This makes it harder for the reader to like most of the new characters as well.


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No way, Percy is a son of Poseidon, and everyone has been with him forever already so even if Jason did super awesome stuff, we would always be Percy fans, I also think it would be confusing for two powerful male characters written by the same other who have crossed over. So Percy would always be the favorite no doubt.


kirstin ✿ I don't hate the Romans as a whole. In fact I admire them, except for Octavian of course. And I think yes, we would have loved Jason the same way we have loved Percy. Let's face it: fans of PJO are a bit biased when judging the characters because we've known them for quite a while now, while we're only introduced to the Romans for one book before the Greeks came back again. We didn't get to know them that much.

Also, about what Elizabeth said: I don't think being a son of Poseidon has anything to do with why Percy is the crowd's favorite. And you said, "...and everyone has been with him forever already so even if Jason did super awesome stuff,"

That's the point; we've been with the Greeks for longer than we've been with the Romans. So what if it was vice versa? What if you only knew Percy for three books? Would you have liked him the same way even if Jason was the main hero for 5 books? And that you've witnessed his journeys and whatnot? Think about it ;)


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To be honest, with the exception of Octavian, I prefer the Romans slightly over the Greeks. Yeah, I'll admit it, I'm more suited to Roman lifestyle. Sure, it's hard, but at least there's order and you have more chance of survival. I think I'd go crazy with the Greeks's laid back lifestyle. And a chance to see Roman architecture? Count me in!

I don't like Jason too much, and I don't particularly care about who he ends up with, but maybe I'd be incredibly bored if Percabeth fell into Tartarus if we knew Jason more than Percy. And yeah, I might even like Jason more than Percy. So sue me. We need a few more books to tell and then I'll tell you guys.


Rachel Jackson If rick had made a story about Jason instead of percy, then yes I would like him a lot more than I do right now because I would have grown with him.
BUT,Jason isn't Percy. Percy has that sarcastic humour through his narration and is so kind and so strong. The first series was so popular only because of Percy's amazing character and humour.
Therefore I conclude by saying that I would like Jason more and not percy less because percy is irreplaceable.


kirstin ✿ @Shahdia: I thought I was the only one who prefer Romans over Greeks! I am all about order as well; that's why I admire Romans so much. The moment I was introduced to Camp Jupiter, I was astonished. The architecture of the camp and the Senate and the city and demigods living there to have a normal life. Even though they're more strict, I'm pretty sure they still know how to have fun.

I think the reason why most people like CHB more is the same reason as to why they chose Percy over Jason: we've known CHB longer than CJ. Siding with the Romans kinda feel like betraying something... so yeah :D


Jelina YUPPPP. I mean greeks have a lot more sense of humor than romans. And every time the pov of the book changes into a roman character, it's getting boring. (my opinion). It is true that Jason only appeared just in two books (currently), but it's just the same way with Leo and the others right? But Jason always nag me. I love each and every character, but it doesnt go the same way with Jason and Piper. Percy is more humble than him, considering Percy and the Greeks did almost everything during the titan war. My friends thinks the same way.


whoufflestories Actually, I still think I'd like the Greeks more. There is something about Percy and the Greeks I like better. Like how laid back and funny they are.

Honestly, the Romans sounds kind of boring and too strict. I'd be horrible reading about them for over five books! And they sound like bullies. Like how they treat Frank and Hazel and even Neptune!

But the subject: I admit I might have a certain fondness for Jason I don't have now. And I wouldn't like the Greeks the same way now if it had been Jason from the beginning.

But, just like how some people like the Romans better now, I would like the Greeks better even if it had been Jason.


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Mary I like the Greeks more because they seem more laidback. The Romans are just too uptight. I think even if Jason was there from the start Percy is still a "cooler" guy if you know what I mean.


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maybe. its just, Jason follows the rules. and as leo said, ladies love a bad boy


Bailey Rutan Honestly, I'm not sure I would. I mean, of course there is no way to know for sure how I would have felt, or how anyone would have felt if the situation were in reverse. I love Percy because he makes me laugh, he's very laid back with witty comments, where-as Jason is more serious. I don't dislike Jason, I just I'm fond of Percy because of his personality. Honestly, I don't exactly dislike any of the characters. Sometimes I get annoyed with them, such as Octavian, or even things that Percy or others have done in specific situations, but I don't dislike them.


message 14: by Jed (last edited Sep 08, 2013 02:46AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Jed Jason would be more popular, without a doubt


FanficofBooks Percy, he has a wonderful sense of sarcasm and funniness


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But the Greeks have no sense of order! I mean, yeah, the Romans are strict, but at least they aren't just 'do whatever' as the Greeks do. They have more authority over campers, a better way of living, a better way of running the place, the fact that they have cohorts not cabins...I mean, I'm sure they know how to have fun, they aren't all strict bullies like Octavian.

Roman POVs are not boring. They're very interesting - yes, even Jason. Admit it, guys - you wanted to see another person's point of view while reading the PJO series. It got a bit tedious, and I have a feeling Rick Riordan prefers the third person format to the first. The Heroes of Olympus seems to flow better.

And also, when you first met Grover, did you automatically like him? I didn't - I thought he was an annoying Wormtail-like tag along. How about Thalia? I found her arrogant and overly proud when I started TC, now she's one of my favourite characters. What about Nico? Zoe? Silena? Beckendorf? Clarisse?


Gwendolyn Mia To be honest, I like the Romans better than the Greeks (with the exception of Leo) *Shields self with Camp Jupiter flag* I actually liked Jason a lot, even though I really missed Percy for a while. Also, I need to mention Team Leo, just to put that out there.


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To be honest, I think it would depend on each person. I mean, Jason is just all perfection and Percy has more of the flaws. And I agree. We've had adventures with Percy that we haven't with Jason. Honestly, I do like the Romans, but something about Piper and Jason just gets on my nerves. I mean... (view spoiler). If I want to like Jason, I want to see his flaws. Plus, Piper has her flaws, but come on (I'm not hating!) Piper can be dramatic and a "bit" unreasonable.

I really like Hazel and Frank, especially with Leo in. (view spoiler) The Romans are good people because I already like Reyna even though she isn't mentioned much throughout the book. But i had to admit, my least favorite characters are Jason and Piper. I'm sorry, but I hate this couple! I apologize to all the Jason and Piper couple fans!

And so to conclude this, I would say that I would still like Percy more than Jason.


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Mary Janie wrote: "To be honest, I think it would depend on each person. I mean, Jason is just all perfection and Percy has more of the flaws. And I agree. We've had adventures with Percy that we haven't with Jason. ..."
I thought I was the only one who thought they were annoying!


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J.C. That is a very good point. If the first five books had been about Jason's heroics and not Percy's I probably would have liked him better except for one thing: Jason didn't drop to tartarus to save his girlfriend. Even if we didn't know the history between Percy and Annabeth what he did at the end of "Mark of Athena" would have made me like Percy more than Jason anyways. Things like that just make Percy a better man than Jason.


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Mary Camille wrote: "That is a very good point. If the first five books had been about Jason's heroics and not Percy's I probably would have liked him better except for one thing: Jason didn't drop to tartarus to save ..."

agreed!


notyourfriend Camille wrote: "That is a very good point. If the first five books had been about Jason's heroics and not Percy's I probably would have liked him better except for one thing: Jason didn't drop to tartarus to save ..."

Yep! And again, as I always say, Annabeth said it best, "He is TOO perfect."


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Mo To be honest, no. I have reasons for disliking Jason, and it isn't because he's not Percy. I would dislike hims either way, and if the first series had been about Jason I wouldn't have read them.
But when it comes to the Roman and Greek camps, I love both dearly, and cannot choose one over the other. I love Reyna, Hazel and Frank.


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Mark not at all percy is beast and could destroy all them chumps!


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Kaye i like the romans, though i prefer camp half blood, i believe i am more roman. i dont like jason, not because he is roman, but because he is vain, soooo vain. sorry for the carly simon referance,
percy is funny, and strong, and kind, and stable


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Mimi Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "Camille wrote: "That is a very good point. If the first five books had been about Jason's heroics and not Percy's I probably would have liked him better except for one thing: Jason didn't drop to t..."

Your right about Annabeth being right. He is too perfect.
@Camille: if the books had been about Jason with them meeting the Greeks and I read Percy falling to tartarus for Annabeth I would immediately like him more. But still, back to the point Rick DIDN'T make a series about Jason (thank God) I don't think I can deal with how strict and mean the Romans are.


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Mimi wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "Camille wrote: "That is a very good point. If the first five books had been about Jason's heroics and not Percy's I probably would have liked him better except for one th..."

On the other hand, if Jason was written first, he may have been the one sky-diving to Tartarus to rescue Reyna or some other Roman girl he loved in Mark of Athena instead since Percy could have been the one who ended up with a daughter of Venus instead of with Annabeth.

About the Romans being strict, this, judging from Son of Neptune and Rick's website, doesn't seem exactly true. RR mentioned that Romans from the Twelfth Legion sometimes sneak into New Rome at late night although it's against the rules to do so. Also,the Romans are allowed to change seats during meal times (with flying food everywhere, sounds chaotic, no?) whereas Greeks have to stick with their own cabins. These suggest that the Romans are not wholly strict and don't always abide by the rules either.

The Romans throw cool parties too in SoN so they clearly know when to have fun, just saying.

As for meanness, well, the Greeks have their share of mean people as well. Clarisse is fond of dunking new kids' heads into toilets and bullying them along with the rest of the Ares cabin. Drew Tanaka and her girl posse aren't friendly and it doesn't help that Drew can mind-control people with charmspeak. Luke helped Kronos rise and endangered many mortals' lives in the process. And there are other characters like Michael Yew who seem to be jerks as well.

Also, Percy himself says that most of the Romans are good people in MoA.

Just my two cents although I'm not really fond of Jason at the moment either.


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@Masked Lunatic: THANK YOU. You just put everything I wanted to say into words.


message 29: by Joy (last edited Sep 13, 2013 03:35PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Joy I think that there's a lot to like about Jason and people will grow to like him more as he is more developed. (I really hope Rick Riordan gives him more time to shine in the next few books!) However, as Camille said, he does have a different character than Percy - he's a bit more "put together" (or perfect, if you want to be extreme), not as funny, and not quite as willing-to-drop-to-Tartarus for the people he loves. However, that last one may just be because all of his normal relationships are quite a bit out of wack because of his amnesia...


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Mimi Masked Lunatic wrote: "Mimi wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "Camille wrote: "That is a very good point. If the first five books had been about Jason's heroics and not Percy's I probably would have liked him better exce..."
Yeah, it's true that the Romans aren't that strict. Do you think if one of the CHB kids switched seats that Mr.D or Chiron would care? Yes, they probably would. Rick probably would've made Jason do more amazing things because we would've watched him devolp as a character. But, is anybody else really mad at Jason for chosing Piper because of a memory? It's not like they even knew each other gor years like Percabeth. Piper made up a bunch of memories and somewhere in there slips Jason and her breaking the rules and all of a sudden they're boyfriend and girlfriend. I wouldn't want to be boyfriend and girlfriend over something that wasn't real. Did that make sense?


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Mimi wrote: "Masked Lunatic wrote: "Mimi wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "Camille wrote: "That is a very good point. If the first five books had been about Jason's heroics and not Percy's I probably would hav..."

Dionysus would since he's got a grudge against heroes and use it as an excuse for punishment but Chiron would give the offenders some warnings first. If it wasn't for Chiron, Dionysus would probably turn all the campers into dolphins or drive them insane at first chance.

Yeah, Jason choosing Piper for no reason other than the fact that she's a "knockout" is just really annoying. That's why I'm hoping that Jason and Piper parallel the original Jason's myth (the original Jason dumped Medea who is a charmspeaker and was made by the gods to fall in love with Jason *hint* *hint*). Oh, in MoA, the story implied that Aphrodite might be manipulating the Jasper relationship, but Piper doesn't care if it's fake. -.-

It's not just Jasper that bugs me though. I feel that Heroes of Olympus has badly written romance. Frazel happened too fast and even Percabeth is getting bad. There's too much romance shoved into these books unlike PJO where the romance was more subtle and were used sparingly.


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Mimi Masked Lunatic wrote: "Mimi wrote: "Masked Lunatic wrote: "Mimi wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "Camille wrote: "That is a very good point. If the first five books had been about Jason's heroics and not Percy's I proba..."

I have to admit, I don't like Frazel very much. Frank's like an older brother not a boyfriend to Hazel that's just how I feel. Jasper is terrible, Frazel shouldn't be a thing and Percabeth....I can't say this isn't a good relationship when we've wanted them to get together since the Lightning Thief. Even if Rick made the books about Jason, we would've watched Jason progress instead of Percabeth. Or maybe even watched Jeyna progress. Still, there was no Jasper because there wouldn't have been Piper at all. Jason just met her on a school bus and they've known each other for...a year? Percabeth, they've known each other since they were twelve. Now Percy is almost seventeen? Compared to Percabeth, their relation makes more sense then Jasper, Jeyna and even Frazel. Frazel...they've known each other for longer than Jasper but I don't like them together. Jeyna, to me, would made more sense considering they've know each other for a while just like Percabeth. But that's just my opinion.


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Mimi wrote: "Masked Lunatic wrote: "Mimi wrote: "Masked Lunatic wrote: "Mimi wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "Camille wrote: "That is a very good point. If the first five books had been about Jason's heroics ..."

You misunderstood me; I don't believe Percabeth is a bad relationship. When I mean I don't like Percabeth in HOO, it's because of how it seems poorly written compared to Percabeth in PJO. A lot of the Percabeth romance in MoA seem like bad fanfiction in my opinion. Anyways, in short, I like the PJO!Percabeth more than the HOO!Percabeth.

And yeah, Jeyna over Jasper any day. :)


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Oh absolutely. We were given five whole books to fall in love with Percy's character. Had Riordan started out with Jason, then that would have more than likely changed all our views on all the characters because we would have spent five books looking at them all through Jason's eyes.


A. Frost I think I would be with Percy either way. Granted, I might have a soft spot for Jason, but I think I would prefer Percy over him. It's not that I hate the Romans; I don't. Percy just seems better.
Also, I kind of hate Jason and Piper. Perhaps if we had the first five books with Jason instead of Percy, I would like him better, but even then I probably wouldn't like him as much as I like Percy.


FanficofBooks I don't like the Jasper relationship at all. They are to perfect for each other.


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Annabeth/Hermione wrote: "I don't like the Jasper relationship at all. They are to perfect for each other."

That doesn't make sense at all.


kirstin ✿ I don't like Frazel, too. They're very unnecessary. Seems like RR just wanted to pair up demigods for the sake of romance. As much I love romance, I hate it when it's pointless and undeveloped.


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Asiyah I actually don't think so because it's not about how long we've read about one of them, it's about what kind of character they are. True, if Rick made a series about Jason instead of Percy, we would KNOW Jason better but that doesn't we would LIKE him better. To me, Percy just has so many more likable/admirable/lovable qualities about him whereas Jason's just...Jason lol I mean he's not a bad guy but let's face it, he's not our Perseus :)


Eleanor Rigby Asiyah wrote: "I actually don't think so because it's not about how long we've read about one of them, it's about what kind of character they are. True, if Rick made a series about Jason instead of Percy, we woul..."

Exactly! Percy all the way!


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Jason has been key in the plot but seriously it's been fairly equal I mean think about it: First book Jason, Second book Percy and third both of them. It'll be interesting to see who Riordan focuses on in the house of Hades however I think it'll be Percy and Nico and Jason will take a backseat. I wouldn't be surprised if Nico was actually be the dominant male character in this book. If you have views I'm going to start a discussion on a topic like Jason, Percy or Nico, all views are accepted and welcomed.


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Also Percy and Nico, I find, have more of a personality than Jason to me he's just too regimented. This is most likely down to the amount of books Percy and Nico have been around but, to me, even if Jason had been there longer and had been scrutinised and focused on, I can't really see any extra personality forming. Of course Jason us a Roman so he's naturally very regimented and formal, even when he lost his memory and was put among the Greeks he didn't developed much more of personality. Don't get me wrong he's a great character and it isn't Rick's fault but to me he isn't as interesting or surprising as someone like Percy or Nico. Just my view.


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E.j. I agree. Jason is not nearly as interesting as a character. Piper likes him, but it seems like that relationship is far too based on physical appearance. I don't think they've ever really had a completely open and vulnerable moment with each other. Too much of Jason is his attractiveness. As far as the personality goes, I think he's a bit dry.


kirstin ✿ Aww, give the man a chance. We've only been with Jason for a book a half, I think... since in MoA we've only seen him as a two-dimensional character. Jason is flawed, but he really hasn't been given a time -and therefore a chance- for character development, has he?

Not a fan of Jason, but I don't want to jump into conclusions.


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Quite Right E.j. Would you mind posting your views on my discussion named Jason, Percy or Nico.


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I see where your coming from but Jason had the entire of the lost hero and a bit of the mark of a then a to develop his personality.


kirstin ✿ Uhm, what do you mean with you know where I'm coming from?


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I mean I understand what you mean. Please comment on my discussion named Jason, Percy or Nico.


kirstin ✿ Link, please? I'm on my phone ^^


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E.j. Glenn wrote: "Quite Right E.j. Would you mind posting your views on my discussion named Jason, Percy or Nico."

Sure thing! :)


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