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Do you think if Rick had made a series about Jason instead of Percy, would we like him more and Percy less?
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Mimi wrote: "My friend keeps on denying it, but let's all be honest here and admit we would. The only reason we really like Percy, Nico, Thalia, Annabeth, Grover and all of the Greeks is because we've been wit..."
Yes, if the Romans were introduced first instead of the Greeks before HOO, a lot of people would hate the Greeks.
The reason a lot of people hate the Romans right now is because the Romans don't have their own book series that would have allowed the readers to judge the Greeks and Romans fairly and without prejudice. If Riordan made a book series about the Romans after the PJO series, there would be less people disliking the Romans in HOO. The Kane Chronicles and Percy Jackson crossover, Son of Sobek, did not have this problem because Carter Kane and the Egyptians had their own book series that already had a fan base.
Oh, and also, Heroes of Olympus is not as good as the PJO series or the KC series because most of the characters in the series are flat even the ones that had previous character development such as Annabeth, Nico, and Percy. This makes it harder for the reader to like most of the new characters as well.
Yes, if the Romans were introduced first instead of the Greeks before HOO, a lot of people would hate the Greeks.
The reason a lot of people hate the Romans right now is because the Romans don't have their own book series that would have allowed the readers to judge the Greeks and Romans fairly and without prejudice. If Riordan made a book series about the Romans after the PJO series, there would be less people disliking the Romans in HOO. The Kane Chronicles and Percy Jackson crossover, Son of Sobek, did not have this problem because Carter Kane and the Egyptians had their own book series that already had a fan base.
Oh, and also, Heroes of Olympus is not as good as the PJO series or the KC series because most of the characters in the series are flat even the ones that had previous character development such as Annabeth, Nico, and Percy. This makes it harder for the reader to like most of the new characters as well.
No way, Percy is a son of Poseidon, and everyone has been with him forever already so even if Jason did super awesome stuff, we would always be Percy fans, I also think it would be confusing for two powerful male characters written by the same other who have crossed over. So Percy would always be the favorite no doubt.

Also, about what Elizabeth said: I don't think being a son of Poseidon has anything to do with why Percy is the crowd's favorite. And you said, "...and everyone has been with him forever already so even if Jason did super awesome stuff,"
That's the point; we've been with the Greeks for longer than we've been with the Romans. So what if it was vice versa? What if you only knew Percy for three books? Would you have liked him the same way even if Jason was the main hero for 5 books? And that you've witnessed his journeys and whatnot? Think about it ;)
To be honest, with the exception of Octavian, I prefer the Romans slightly over the Greeks. Yeah, I'll admit it, I'm more suited to Roman lifestyle. Sure, it's hard, but at least there's order and you have more chance of survival. I think I'd go crazy with the Greeks's laid back lifestyle. And a chance to see Roman architecture? Count me in!
I don't like Jason too much, and I don't particularly care about who he ends up with, but maybe I'd be incredibly bored if Percabeth fell into Tartarus if we knew Jason more than Percy. And yeah, I might even like Jason more than Percy. So sue me. We need a few more books to tell and then I'll tell you guys.
I don't like Jason too much, and I don't particularly care about who he ends up with, but maybe I'd be incredibly bored if Percabeth fell into Tartarus if we knew Jason more than Percy. And yeah, I might even like Jason more than Percy. So sue me. We need a few more books to tell and then I'll tell you guys.

BUT,Jason isn't Percy. Percy has that sarcastic humour through his narration and is so kind and so strong. The first series was so popular only because of Percy's amazing character and humour.
Therefore I conclude by saying that I would like Jason more and not percy less because percy is irreplaceable.

I think the reason why most people like CHB more is the same reason as to why they chose Percy over Jason: we've known CHB longer than CJ. Siding with the Romans kinda feel like betraying something... so yeah :D


Honestly, the Romans sounds kind of boring and too strict. I'd be horrible reading about them for over five books! And they sound like bullies. Like how they treat Frank and Hazel and even Neptune!
But the subject: I admit I might have a certain fondness for Jason I don't have now. And I wouldn't like the Greeks the same way now if it had been Jason from the beginning.
But, just like how some people like the Romans better now, I would like the Greeks better even if it had been Jason.

maybe. its just, Jason follows the rules. and as leo said, ladies love a bad boy

But the Greeks have no sense of order! I mean, yeah, the Romans are strict, but at least they aren't just 'do whatever' as the Greeks do. They have more authority over campers, a better way of living, a better way of running the place, the fact that they have cohorts not cabins...I mean, I'm sure they know how to have fun, they aren't all strict bullies like Octavian.
Roman POVs are not boring. They're very interesting - yes, even Jason. Admit it, guys - you wanted to see another person's point of view while reading the PJO series. It got a bit tedious, and I have a feeling Rick Riordan prefers the third person format to the first. The Heroes of Olympus seems to flow better.
And also, when you first met Grover, did you automatically like him? I didn't - I thought he was an annoying Wormtail-like tag along. How about Thalia? I found her arrogant and overly proud when I started TC, now she's one of my favourite characters. What about Nico? Zoe? Silena? Beckendorf? Clarisse?
Roman POVs are not boring. They're very interesting - yes, even Jason. Admit it, guys - you wanted to see another person's point of view while reading the PJO series. It got a bit tedious, and I have a feeling Rick Riordan prefers the third person format to the first. The Heroes of Olympus seems to flow better.
And also, when you first met Grover, did you automatically like him? I didn't - I thought he was an annoying Wormtail-like tag along. How about Thalia? I found her arrogant and overly proud when I started TC, now she's one of my favourite characters. What about Nico? Zoe? Silena? Beckendorf? Clarisse?

To be honest, I think it would depend on each person. I mean, Jason is just all perfection and Percy has more of the flaws. And I agree. We've had adventures with Percy that we haven't with Jason. Honestly, I do like the Romans, but something about Piper and Jason just gets on my nerves. I mean... (view spoiler) . If I want to like Jason, I want to see his flaws. Plus, Piper has her flaws, but come on (I'm not hating!) Piper can be dramatic and a "bit" unreasonable.
I really like Hazel and Frank, especially with Leo in. (view spoiler) The Romans are good people because I already like Reyna even though she isn't mentioned much throughout the book. But i had to admit, my least favorite characters are Jason and Piper. I'm sorry, but I hate this couple! I apologize to all the Jason and Piper couple fans!
And so to conclude this, I would say that I would still like Percy more than Jason.
I really like Hazel and Frank, especially with Leo in. (view spoiler) The Romans are good people because I already like Reyna even though she isn't mentioned much throughout the book. But i had to admit, my least favorite characters are Jason and Piper. I'm sorry, but I hate this couple! I apologize to all the Jason and Piper couple fans!
And so to conclude this, I would say that I would still like Percy more than Jason.

I thought I was the only one who thought they were annoying!


agreed!

Yep! And again, as I always say, Annabeth said it best, "He is TOO perfect."

But when it comes to the Roman and Greek camps, I love both dearly, and cannot choose one over the other. I love Reyna, Hazel and Frank.

percy is funny, and strong, and kind, and stable

Your right about Annabeth being right. He is too perfect.
@Camille: if the books had been about Jason with them meeting the Greeks and I read Percy falling to tartarus for Annabeth I would immediately like him more. But still, back to the point Rick DIDN'T make a series about Jason (thank God) I don't think I can deal with how strict and mean the Romans are.
Mimi wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "Camille wrote: "That is a very good point. If the first five books had been about Jason's heroics and not Percy's I probably would have liked him better except for one th..."
On the other hand, if Jason was written first, he may have been the one sky-diving to Tartarus to rescue Reyna or some other Roman girl he loved in Mark of Athena instead since Percy could have been the one who ended up with a daughter of Venus instead of with Annabeth.
About the Romans being strict, this, judging from Son of Neptune and Rick's website, doesn't seem exactly true. RR mentioned that Romans from the Twelfth Legion sometimes sneak into New Rome at late night although it's against the rules to do so. Also,the Romans are allowed to change seats during meal times (with flying food everywhere, sounds chaotic, no?) whereas Greeks have to stick with their own cabins. These suggest that the Romans are not wholly strict and don't always abide by the rules either.
The Romans throw cool parties too in SoN so they clearly know when to have fun, just saying.
As for meanness, well, the Greeks have their share of mean people as well. Clarisse is fond of dunking new kids' heads into toilets and bullying them along with the rest of the Ares cabin. Drew Tanaka and her girl posse aren't friendly and it doesn't help that Drew can mind-control people with charmspeak. Luke helped Kronos rise and endangered many mortals' lives in the process. And there are other characters like Michael Yew who seem to be jerks as well.
Also, Percy himself says that most of the Romans are good people in MoA.
Just my two cents although I'm not really fond of Jason at the moment either.
On the other hand, if Jason was written first, he may have been the one sky-diving to Tartarus to rescue Reyna or some other Roman girl he loved in Mark of Athena instead since Percy could have been the one who ended up with a daughter of Venus instead of with Annabeth.
About the Romans being strict, this, judging from Son of Neptune and Rick's website, doesn't seem exactly true. RR mentioned that Romans from the Twelfth Legion sometimes sneak into New Rome at late night although it's against the rules to do so. Also,the Romans are allowed to change seats during meal times (with flying food everywhere, sounds chaotic, no?) whereas Greeks have to stick with their own cabins. These suggest that the Romans are not wholly strict and don't always abide by the rules either.
The Romans throw cool parties too in SoN so they clearly know when to have fun, just saying.
As for meanness, well, the Greeks have their share of mean people as well. Clarisse is fond of dunking new kids' heads into toilets and bullying them along with the rest of the Ares cabin. Drew Tanaka and her girl posse aren't friendly and it doesn't help that Drew can mind-control people with charmspeak. Luke helped Kronos rise and endangered many mortals' lives in the process. And there are other characters like Michael Yew who seem to be jerks as well.
Also, Percy himself says that most of the Romans are good people in MoA.
Just my two cents although I'm not really fond of Jason at the moment either.
@Masked Lunatic: THANK YOU. You just put everything I wanted to say into words.


Yeah, it's true that the Romans aren't that strict. Do you think if one of the CHB kids switched seats that Mr.D or Chiron would care? Yes, they probably would. Rick probably would've made Jason do more amazing things because we would've watched him devolp as a character. But, is anybody else really mad at Jason for chosing Piper because of a memory? It's not like they even knew each other gor years like Percabeth. Piper made up a bunch of memories and somewhere in there slips Jason and her breaking the rules and all of a sudden they're boyfriend and girlfriend. I wouldn't want to be boyfriend and girlfriend over something that wasn't real. Did that make sense?
Mimi wrote: "Masked Lunatic wrote: "Mimi wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "Camille wrote: "That is a very good point. If the first five books had been about Jason's heroics and not Percy's I probably would hav..."
Dionysus would since he's got a grudge against heroes and use it as an excuse for punishment but Chiron would give the offenders some warnings first. If it wasn't for Chiron, Dionysus would probably turn all the campers into dolphins or drive them insane at first chance.
Yeah, Jason choosing Piper for no reason other than the fact that she's a "knockout" is just really annoying. That's why I'm hoping that Jason and Piper parallel the original Jason's myth (the original Jason dumped Medea who is a charmspeaker and was made by the gods to fall in love with Jason *hint* *hint*). Oh, in MoA, the story implied that Aphrodite might be manipulating the Jasper relationship, but Piper doesn't care if it's fake. -.-
It's not just Jasper that bugs me though. I feel that Heroes of Olympus has badly written romance. Frazel happened too fast and even Percabeth is getting bad. There's too much romance shoved into these books unlike PJO where the romance was more subtle and were used sparingly.
Dionysus would since he's got a grudge against heroes and use it as an excuse for punishment but Chiron would give the offenders some warnings first. If it wasn't for Chiron, Dionysus would probably turn all the campers into dolphins or drive them insane at first chance.
Yeah, Jason choosing Piper for no reason other than the fact that she's a "knockout" is just really annoying. That's why I'm hoping that Jason and Piper parallel the original Jason's myth (the original Jason dumped Medea who is a charmspeaker and was made by the gods to fall in love with Jason *hint* *hint*). Oh, in MoA, the story implied that Aphrodite might be manipulating the Jasper relationship, but Piper doesn't care if it's fake. -.-
It's not just Jasper that bugs me though. I feel that Heroes of Olympus has badly written romance. Frazel happened too fast and even Percabeth is getting bad. There's too much romance shoved into these books unlike PJO where the romance was more subtle and were used sparingly.

I have to admit, I don't like Frazel very much. Frank's like an older brother not a boyfriend to Hazel that's just how I feel. Jasper is terrible, Frazel shouldn't be a thing and Percabeth....I can't say this isn't a good relationship when we've wanted them to get together since the Lightning Thief. Even if Rick made the books about Jason, we would've watched Jason progress instead of Percabeth. Or maybe even watched Jeyna progress. Still, there was no Jasper because there wouldn't have been Piper at all. Jason just met her on a school bus and they've known each other for...a year? Percabeth, they've known each other since they were twelve. Now Percy is almost seventeen? Compared to Percabeth, their relation makes more sense then Jasper, Jeyna and even Frazel. Frazel...they've known each other for longer than Jasper but I don't like them together. Jeyna, to me, would made more sense considering they've know each other for a while just like Percabeth. But that's just my opinion.
Mimi wrote: "Masked Lunatic wrote: "Mimi wrote: "Masked Lunatic wrote: "Mimi wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "Camille wrote: "That is a very good point. If the first five books had been about Jason's heroics ..."
You misunderstood me; I don't believe Percabeth is a bad relationship. When I mean I don't like Percabeth in HOO, it's because of how it seems poorly written compared to Percabeth in PJO. A lot of the Percabeth romance in MoA seem like bad fanfiction in my opinion. Anyways, in short, I like the PJO!Percabeth more than the HOO!Percabeth.
And yeah, Jeyna over Jasper any day. :)
You misunderstood me; I don't believe Percabeth is a bad relationship. When I mean I don't like Percabeth in HOO, it's because of how it seems poorly written compared to Percabeth in PJO. A lot of the Percabeth romance in MoA seem like bad fanfiction in my opinion. Anyways, in short, I like the PJO!Percabeth more than the HOO!Percabeth.
And yeah, Jeyna over Jasper any day. :)
Oh absolutely. We were given five whole books to fall in love with Percy's character. Had Riordan started out with Jason, then that would have more than likely changed all our views on all the characters because we would have spent five books looking at them all through Jason's eyes.

Also, I kind of hate Jason and Piper. Perhaps if we had the first five books with Jason instead of Percy, I would like him better, but even then I probably wouldn't like him as much as I like Percy.
Annabeth/Hermione wrote: "I don't like the Jasper relationship at all. They are to perfect for each other."
That doesn't make sense at all.
That doesn't make sense at all.



Exactly! Percy all the way!
Jason has been key in the plot but seriously it's been fairly equal I mean think about it: First book Jason, Second book Percy and third both of them. It'll be interesting to see who Riordan focuses on in the house of Hades however I think it'll be Percy and Nico and Jason will take a backseat. I wouldn't be surprised if Nico was actually be the dominant male character in this book. If you have views I'm going to start a discussion on a topic like Jason, Percy or Nico, all views are accepted and welcomed.
Also Percy and Nico, I find, have more of a personality than Jason to me he's just too regimented. This is most likely down to the amount of books Percy and Nico have been around but, to me, even if Jason had been there longer and had been scrutinised and focused on, I can't really see any extra personality forming. Of course Jason us a Roman so he's naturally very regimented and formal, even when he lost his memory and was put among the Greeks he didn't developed much more of personality. Don't get me wrong he's a great character and it isn't Rick's fault but to me he isn't as interesting or surprising as someone like Percy or Nico. Just my view.


Not a fan of Jason, but I don't want to jump into conclusions.
Quite Right E.j. Would you mind posting your views on my discussion named Jason, Percy or Nico.
I see where your coming from but Jason had the entire of the lost hero and a bit of the mark of a then a to develop his personality.
I mean I understand what you mean. Please comment on my discussion named Jason, Percy or Nico.
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