The Mark of Athena discussion

Piper and Jason don't work for me...sorry but my opinion. Can't stand them. But that makes the book more interesting because u can't love every character. Reyna and Jason will work Better than Jason and piper, not because I want them to but because they compliment each other. I don't know about u but I don't want a relationship based on FALSE memories. I wouldn't mind Jason and piper getting to TRUELY know each other FIRST before jumping to BF and GF. If they can work it out than they can be together. For now my opinion goes for Jason and Reyna but doesn't mean RIck Riodian will write it that way. That is still ok with me because he is still a TALENTED writer. I can't wait to read the HOH. I own if but I don't want to read it...YET:)

I haven't read HoH yet, but I really want to see how the Jiper thing works...apparently there are some chapters in Jason's POV, so that should help clear up some of the doubts about Jason's feelings. There have been only two books before HoH about Jason and Piper together, so it's sort of rushed, especially because in the first chapter, Riordan's proclaims them boyfriend and girlfriend. Percabeth works better because there are four whole books before they officially get together. I think I'd like Jiper a little more if it hadn't been so rushed.

I don't really mind Jason, but I hate Piper(sorry). I hate their relationship too, and I hated the fact that in MOA Jason said that he didn't deserve her. WOW, WAY TO LET YOURSELF DOWN, YOU'VE GONE BELOW AVERAGE NOW. I also hate how Piper is all over Jason, she's all like Jason is so awesome, and I don't know what to do without him, and Jason this and Jason that. She does not deserve Jason. Jason deserves better. I think that's the only ship I have a problem with.

In general, I don't really like Jason OR Piper, so how can you expect me to like their relationship? This is probably because I became so attatched to Percy and Annabeth that another 'big three kid' relationship is just...no.

The reason why Jason and Piper are just blah for be is because the other "ships" in the series are MUCH MORE INTERESTING.

First we have Percabeth. Nothing more needs to be said about awesome they are.

Then there's Frank and Hazel. They have more substance, and Hazel's past with Sammy also helps make their relationship more interesting and Frank's life life. I also like their personalities more.

Then there's Caleo. I'm not a big fan of this ship either, but I feel like there's more chemistry between them.

Heck, even Coach Hedge and Mellie are more interesting than Jason and Piper.

Well, when all you haters get ______friends and you have to have known your _______friend for 7 years and fought monsters with them and battled depression in Tartarus and been stranded on an island for your friends to consider the relatioship "legit", all I can say is good luck. You're gonna need it.

i think their relationship is real because if it wasn't they wouldn't be together still. i mean, yeah, piper doesn't have real memories of Jason but if he didn't like her he would of dropped her the minute he got back to Camp Jupiter.

There relationship is weird. They are more like OLD, OLD friends. Like, they had done embarrassing things in front of each other and treat each other like family friends.

Dria wrote: "Well, when all you haters get ______friends and you have to have known your _______friend for 7 years and fought monsters with them and battled depression in Tartarus and been stranded on an island..."

Hey, that's not the only reason people like Percabeth and consider it 'legit'! They didn't start off as boyfriend and girlfriend. It just kind of worked out. It is NOT because they've done all that together for so long. They got to know each other first. Piper thinks she knows Jason, and in her fake memories, she's his girlfriend. Even when she finds that those memories are fake, she STILL considers him her boyfriend. She doesn't really get to know him a little, before latching on. Her philospophy is kind of like this- "get him, then get to know him".
It also might be because of Aphrodite. If you remember, in Lost Hero, Piper's kind of unsure, though she REALLY wants it to be real, and it's Aphrodite who sways her. Why? Because the goddess approves of Jason? Because she wants her daughter to be with a super-powerful Big Three kid? Who knows?

Like I said before, it might just be that Piper needs something to hold on to. And we don't really see much of what Jason's thinking. He's a bit more here-and-now, not really concentrating all his attention of his so-called relationship, thinking mostly about their quest. Piper, on the other hand, seems to put all her energy on her relationship with Jason, except when in a fight, when she fights, survives, and promptly goes back to thinking about Jason.

And I come back to a point I mentioned before- Jason has been trained, since he was three , NOT TO SHOW HIS FEELINGS. He's been told, "If you're angry, desperate, irritated, scared- whatever it is, don't show it!" Therefore he's not really open with Piper. It's hard to break a habit, and the whole romance thing might be kind of new and more emotional than he's used to. Romans to me always seemed a little more stiff.
Piper, on the other hand, was surounded by so much change in her life that she grew a shield, an image as the tough girl. She wanted something that wouldn't change- and she found Jason. Someone who she really, really wanted to be with. So because she's putting so much, she tries to see Jason giving back that much. When she doesn't, she tries even harder to hang on to him...well, it ends up with her becoming practically obsessed.

Tricia wrote: "i think their relationship is real because if it wasn't they wouldn't be together still. i mean, yeah, piper doesn't have real memories of Jason but if he didn't like her he would of dropped her th..."
Maybe, but does he have the guts to do it? He might like her, but would've let her go if not for...something. It might be that he feels sorry for her, or has some other weird reason. Like making someone jealous, or as a way to keep off Drew (and other girls) who like him but creep him out. Yes, it may be sort of real, but it still doesn't really seem like one. The relationship, I mean...you know.

Kaivallya wrote: "Tricia wrote: "i think their relationship is real because if it wasn't they wouldn't be together still. i mean, yeah, piper doesn't have real memories of Jason but if he didn't like her he would of..."

We've been in Jason's head. We know what he's thinking. He likes Piper, not just b/c she keeps other girls away.

Okay, yeah, good point, but it still is like he likes her, but not as a girlfriend.

He was thinking about how gorgeous she is and how good she smells... What do you want him to be thinking?

I didn't really like Jasper, but I am not opposed to them either. I don't care if they can live in their own little world as long as it doesn't mess up the quest. Piper doesn't seem like an important character to me. All she does is look pretty, throw food out of the cornucopia, and watch the future in her knife.
But Jenya would not work out. Considering how lame Jason was in HoH I think part of the reason he is with Piper is because she makes him feel strong. He protects her and it makes him feel important. We all know that Reyna would not let him do that. He has a huge ego and he needs Piper to sustain it.
There are also way too many couples in the book. Rick, this is not a memory game where you have to match everyone up!

Finished the HoH:)) cried!! Can't wait for the BoO

I never really loved them a ton. Especially Piper. They're still okay and I don't dislike them, they're just not my favorites.

Didn't really like them before but in HoH they both seemed to have less chapters which made me like them more. Also the way Jason acted in his chapters made him seem less robotic and more real and the few chapters that Piper had she was saving everyone instead of obsessing over Jason. I think having just a little bit of their POV was a good move by Rick Riodan as it is quality over quantity. We know what's going on with them but it isn't a overload.

Agreed!!

Okay, I've just finished HoH, and I now have changed my opinion (slightly!) about Jiper. Piper doesn't seem so obsessive and Jason seems more human, however impossible it sounds. My main problem with Jiper was their respective personalities, which I wasn't a really big fan of.
I respect both Jason and Piper a little more now, having read HoH. Jason is more normal, somehow, a little loosened up, trying to make friends, not minding the fact that he may show he's unsure. As for Piper, I used to think the only thing she was any good at was charmspeak (which is cool, but no plans or fights or anything was a little boring). But the scene when Khione attacks was just amazing.
Now I've been in their heads, I don't really mind Jiper. I know what they're thinking, they're real people, and they do have redeeming qualities.
This relationship might actually work out.

Now that I have read the HoH too I feel a LITTLE bit relaxed and less annoyed around piper and Jason but, no matter what I can't warm up to liking them. Yes piper proved her self and yes the scene with Jason and nico was heartwarming. I can't seem to like Jason and piper. I do admit I can see them being together has a couple but that is as far as liking them I can get. Maybe it is the fact that I am bias against them having read the Percy Jackson books but I do not really think so because I really like Leo hazel and frank and they are new characters. Whatever it is I think it will come along with me to the last book. I can already tell I will not like Jason and piper as much as some people think they deserve to be liked, and i may grow to respect them OR I may not.

@Dria: That's actually kind of creepy...I mean, his life is on the line and he's thinking about Piper's perfume?
@Helen: I agree with you! There are too many couples!
@Victory: What scene with Jason and Nico?
@Lakshya: True. But I guess Jiper's kind of working out.

It's true that, in the books, it seems as if Riordan's trying to pair off everyone. Next you know, he'll get Nico, or even Octavian, a girlfriend. (Actually, Octavian having a girlfriend is kind of disturbing. Someone who hates teddy bears, maybe?)I think that there's a little too much emphasis on the 'romance' aspect in what's supposed to be (and started off as) an adventurous mythological story.

I think RR's thinking that since the target audience is YAs, we would love it more if there's romance. While I really like romance, too much is kinda annoying me at times. Especially when they don't make sense. XD

Have u read the HoH kaivallya? If u have u will know what I am talking about. It made me like Jason a little better.

I think that once you forget about the whole fake memories thing, I think that Jason and Piper genuinely do like each other. I think that Piper might be trying to push it too hard because of the fake memories, however, and if she would relax and let it flow into place their relationship would be so much easier and people opposed to it would lay off a little.

Jason is a little more "human" in the HOH. What I mean is he becomes more part of the book. Not so much that perfect even piper points that out in the HOH

Well he was taught to follow the rules since age three by wolves. Cut him a little slack at least he is learning...

There is nothing wrong with that... Just u can't help but criticize. But I do see your point.

For what? It's just Jason who is being rigid. The other Romans like Octavian, Reyna, and Frank are rather human.

Blame it on Juno then. She wanted Jason to be trained by 3.

Blame it on Kronos for giving birth to Zeus.

Blame it on the other gods for helping him fight against Kronos.

That's the only logical conclusion. :p

Hahhahhaa well said

Victory wrote: "Have u read the HoH kaivallya? If u have u will know what I am talking about. It made me like Jason a little better."

Yeah, now I remember. The scene with Cupid, right? True, Jason did loosen up a bit more in HoH, and now I think about it, it sort of started from that scene. I like Jason a little more now.
In August I did a survey in which Jason ended up as the least popular boy character, fifteen points behind his best friend Leo. But now after HoH, he may have been a little more popular. Of course, Leo would be even more popular too, so the 15-point difference may not really change :)

Hahhhahah. True statement.

I hated them at first, but since we don't get much of them now, I'm kinda whatever about the whole thing.

Hmmm. I've heard lots of rumours (on Goodreads) about the Jiper relationship mirroring the Jason/Medea relationship. If that's true, we can expect a breakup. And Maya, Jason will probably dump Piper in that case, so being in their heads will be even more annoying. I feel sorry for you. Your only hope- ignore them and concentrate on the cooler...or warmer...characters :)

Kaivallya wrote: "Hmmm. I've heard lots of rumours (on Goodreads) about the Jiper relationship mirroring the Jason/Medea relationship. If that's true, we can expect a breakup. And Maya, Jason will probably dump Pipe..."

YES!!! I can see Riordan putting in a break up. I mean, kids deal with relationships coming to an end all the time. It's reality. Give Percabeth and Frazel a happy ending, but we don't need Jiper.

Yes! Jason can get together with someone else (I'd say Reyna but now I think she deserves better) and then Piper can join the Hunt.

BlackStar103 wrote: "Well I see one of them (Jason) cheating (on Piper) then they break up. That happens a lot in reality. It'll be funny if Piper joined the Hunters. You know, since she's a daughter of Aphrodite, she'..."
Now THAT would be epic. Hopefully her 'fighting skills' would improve. Hmmm, Piper hanging out with her ex-boyfriend's sister? Wonder how that would be...

@Laurel: You said Pecrabeth and Frazel deserve a happy ending but Jiper don't. What happened to Caleo?

Wait I never read the House of Hades but I remembered somebody from Percy Jackson series is the Ca- part Calypso...?

I love how everyone wants piper and Jason to breakup! And have her join the hunters!...is it sad that I also agree? Lol

Charmspeak. Maybe. Not love potion. I kind of doubt it. Remember, there's this one part in HoH when Jason mentions Reyna and suddenly he's just really concious of Piper- Maybe it was Piper working her Aphrodite magic on him... or some such thing. It's a possibility, but seriously, love potion? Not likely.
Harry Potter, it might happen- actually did happen, in Book Six- but not HoO.
Unless, you know, Piper stole it from Medea, but it would've been mentioned. Rick Riordan, though unpredictable, can hopefully be relied on for things like that. Secrets of the main characters will always, always be mentioned. Hazel- her secret was discussed in the first book she appeared in. Frank, same. So I'm pretty confident that love potions have nothing to do with it. Aphrodite might be messing with their feelings, though, because she approves of Jason. If she decides to give Jason a 'difficult love life' or whatever just because she 'likes him', that will just be proof.
Which brings me back to my statement- the idea of Jiper breaking up is a nice thought.

Actually, charmspeak is also kind of unlikely. We hunt yet again for the reason of Jiper's existence.

I can't compare Jason and Piper's relationship to Percy and Annabeth's. I mean both relationship seems legit but for Jason and Piper's, I think they lack chemistry. Just sayin' though, but Jason and Piper seem cute together that's all.

Ya but that was used on her dad not Jason. I bet it is Aphrodite to some extent I mean doenst she control all relationships? I mean she is the goddess of love, right? That makes her probably responsible for Jiper, but is she also responsible for Percabeth? Remember she told Percy in the Titans Curse that she would make his love life difficult because she liked him. What about Frazel? Or Caleo?

I think they're okay as a couple, but I personally am not a huge fan of either of them. Piper is too needy and Jason is too perfect.

Percabeth is WAY awesomer.

Wow great friend. However I do agree with you that Percabeth is better because we have known them longer and they seem to click better than Jasper.

AGREED!! Now we just have to wait for the BoO and see how the relationship works. I love the fact that we have a couple we aren't really loving. It makes the series far more interesting and more realistic( as far as Greek and roman gods and demigod can get). Point is as much as we voice our opinion and predictions. Come next October on 2014 we will (hopefully) see an answer to our many questions about piper and Jason. And of cause know how the series end!! (Trying to be patient...really am)