The Mark of Athena discussion

I'm just gonna tell you straight up that I don't like Jasper. I feel like their relationship was rushed or like its that puzzle piece that doesn't fit but you jam it in there anyways. Um, I feel like having a relationship based on some memories is utterly unfair to Reyna. She has REAL memories with Jason. I don't know, I just don't like their relationship in general and not just because I feel bad for Reyna. I just don't like it.

Technically, isn't Aphrodite influencing the Jasper relationship? Also, Jason and Piper's relationship parallel that of the original Jason and Medea so let's just say it might not end well in House of Hades or the fifth book.

I don't hate their relationship, but they don't click for me. Yes, I feel really bad for Reyna. She's the only one who doesn't have boyfriend.

Masked Lunatic wrote: "Technically, isn't Aphrodite influencing the Jasper relationship? Also, Jason and Piper's relationship parallel that of the original Jason and Medea so let's just say it might not end well in House..."

YES!!! That's exactly what I've been thinking! I would not be sad at all if Piper and Jason break up.

I ship Jeyna more then Jiper. Is that the ship names? I'm not sure :/ I feel like Reyna deserves him more.

Mimi wrote: "I'm just gonna tell you straight up that I don't like Jasper. I feel like their relationship was rushed or like its that puzzle piece that doesn't fit but you jam it in there anyways. Um, I feel li..."

I totally agree. I mean at first when you don't get the backstory of Reyna, it seems like everything was okay. I used to ship Jasper even. I just think that the way Reyna was the whole time without him, deserves something. It was completely obvious that Reyna liked Jason when I was reading SoN.

I just really want to know what happens with the two pairs after the quest.

Jason really pissed me off when he said that Piper didn't need to be Roman. Pssh... Yeah, right!

Reyna seems really nasty. Not all the time, I mean, but I'd hate her if I knew her! Plus, Piper is a vegetarian, so she gets points. Plus, Reyna tried to hook up with Percy when Jason left! Talk about unfaithful.

Dria wrote: "Reyna seems really nasty. Not all the time, I mean, but I'd hate her if I knew her! Plus, Piper is a vegetarian, so she gets points. Plus, Reyna tried to hook up with Percy when Jason left! Talk ab..."
I don't think that Reyna's a nasty person. I actually think that she has to put on that strong face because she's praetor or New Rome. Who would want someone weak leading them into a battle? Think about it.

Even though Piper is a vegetarian, so what? I think that's overreacting. Would you really want to eat beans for your protein?

I don't think that was hooking up. That was just flirting. If you were to say that about Reyna, I'm guessing it would be even worse for Jason's case.

《Ivy ☆ Nyx》 wrote: "Dria wrote: "Reyna seems really nasty. Not all the time, I mean, but I'd hate her if I knew her! Plus, Piper is a vegetarian, so she gets points. Plus, Reyna tried to hook up with Percy when Jason ..."

I agree. Reyna isn't nasty, she's strong. And why does Piper get points for being vegetarian? I mean there's nothing wrong being vegetarian but there's noting wrong with eating meat either. And the whole Percy thing, Reyna just liked Percy and was flirting. I do feel really bad for her for losing the two boys that she liked just to see them with girlfriends. Percabeth--can't break that up, they have real memories from when they were twelve to now. As for Jasper (or Jiper) made up memories is not relationship building. I would probably smile a little if they broke up. Sorry to any Jasper fans, I just don't think a relationship based on fake memories is worth crying over.

Mimi wrote: "《Ivy ☆ Nyx》 wrote: "Dria wrote: "Reyna seems really nasty. Not all the time, I mean, but I'd hate her if I knew her! Plus, Piper is a vegetarian, so she gets points. Plus, Reyna tried to hook up wi..."

Piper gets points for being vegetarian because I am a vegetarian. I eat beans and eggs for my protein. It's not the end of the world, people. Anyway, I guess it's personal preference, but I still don't like Reyna. Jason would probably be better of as a confirmed bachelor like Sherlock.

I like Piper and Jason being together because I don't like either of them, (sorry) I love Percy Jackson, anyways I think Leo should get a girl too so I think Reyna should get Leo because they're complete opposites.

piper doesn't deserve a guy like Jason. Reyna and Jason would compliment each other. both have powerful personality whereas piper is a weakling. moreover piper's feelings started from a memory created by the mist and Reyna's are genuine. so she deserves Jason!

BlackStar103 wrote: "Hate Jasper. Jason should be with Reyna. Good thing that Jason doesn't have his full memory. Hopefully he'll break up with Piper."

Phtooey.

TBH I don't really like Jason and Piper as a "couple" I don't really even like them in general (my opinion) I would rather have Jason and Reyna together. Piper just annoys me. When ever she appears in the book or when the story follows her action, I can't help but making a frustrated sound. In a way that is a good thing because in a great book not every character should click to u in a positive way. Anyway to me Piper isn't a strong character among the seven. The only thing she pretty much cares about in alone time with Jason. A guy who she didn't physically know before the first book. I wouldn't even shed a tear if they break up. TBH I don't even think they are in a relationship. Piper seems to be the only one worrying about it... To me that isn't healthy. I think no matter what I will never like Jason and Piper through out the whole series. I have tried but it just can't happen. So to end this I think if Jason HAD to be with ANYONE.. I choose Reyna.

Victory wrote: "TBH I don't really like Jason and Piper as a "couple" I don't really even like them in general (my opinion) I would rather have Jason and Reyna together. Piper just annoys me. When ever she appears..."

Wow, I think that brought tears to my eyes. Well, not really but your opinion is mine except out in words. I don't think Jason cares much for the relationship--well, at least not as much as Piper. I don't like Piper because of her biased opinions and annoying chapters. Sometimes, she needs to keep her mind focused on the task at hand instead of worrying about Jason and things that don't matter. I know she's an Aphrodite girl, but come on Piper, when your going to war somwtimes looks don't matter. Okay, I know Piper claims she doesn't care about her looks, but if you go reread her chapters from The Lost Hero and The Mark of Athena, you'll find snippets of things about how she looks. And when you say that you're trying to tame down your looks because you don't care, technically you're caring about the way you don't look nice. Jason I don't like either because Jason needs to wake up and smell the roses. I feel like he's very confused sometimes and oblivious. He said himself that he's knocked out a lot, which is true. It's not always his fault that he's knocked out, but when he's not he needs to be more alert. He didn't even notice Annabeth and Percy falling into Tartarus for crying out loud! I'm not exactly sure if that's his fault, but still, he needs to work on being more alert because being alert is something he lacks. Jason and Piper together does not work because:
1: It's based on fake memories.
2: Jason doesn't even have his full memories back.
3: Jason is Roman and Piper is Greek. Did they really think it was gonna work out?
This is just a collection of my opinion. I think if Piper and Jason were to break up, Jason should definitely consider Reyna because they have what I like to call real memories.

BlackStar103 wrote: "Mimi wrote: "Victory wrote: "TBH I don't really like Jason and Piper as a "couple" I don't really even like them in general (my opinion) I would rather have Jason and Reyna together. Piper just ann..."

Well, it's mostly just me ranting, but still.

I can't stand JasPer, and I don't think their relationship is legit. Just like what others said, Aphrodite might be manipulating their feelings for each other. More so on Jason. For Piper, she's too focused on him. Borderline obsessed. Besides, she's not in love with Jason. I think it's lust. I mean, he's handsome, right? Also, at the beginning of The Lost Hero, Jason had doubted his situation; he didn't immediately buy that Leo was his best friend and Piper his girlfriend. Why was that? His memories were altered by the Mist, just like Piper's and Leo's, but he'd had a hard time accepting it because he just knew it was wrong. Piper easily bought without a shadow of a doubt, perhaps because before that, she didn't have a lot of memories worth cherishing. But Jason didn't. Because he knew he was someone else.

I don't really like Jason. He's kind of shallow; Piper deserves better.

Mimi wrote: "Victory wrote: "TBH I don't really like Jason and Piper as a "couple" I don't really even like them in general (my opinion) I would rather have Jason and Reyna together. Piper just annoys me. When ..."

Jason annoys me. He's just kind of, I don't know, he's all like, "I wish Piper was really my girlfriend." He doesn't deserve Piper. I hate how Rick keeps on matching people up. not everyone like romance.

"Amberheart wrote: I hate how Rick keeps on matching people up. Not everyone like romance."

Couldn't agree more! I mean, Percabeth is perfect. He doesn't have to make a FraZel and JasPer, especially when they don't make sense ._. I don't understand FraZel at all. They're infatuated for each other, yes. But being a couple isn't necessary. I don't like JasPer, yes, but I kinda get why he had to do that. But FraZel? No! They're young and ugh.

Without romance a book is boring, but too much of it is just annoying.

Also, at the beginning of The Lost Hero, Jason had doubted his situation; he didn't immediately buy that Leo was his best friend and Piper his girlfriend. Why was that? His memories were altered by the Mist, just like Piper's and Leo's, but he'd had a hard time accepting it because he just knew it was wrong. Piper easily bought without a shadow of a doubt, perhaps because before that, she didn't have a lot of memories worth cherishing. But Jason didn't. Because he knew he was someone else. -Curseteen

You're wrong! His memories weren't altered, they were wiped! Personally, It would be hard to just accept anything after totally forgetting everything important to you! That doesn't mean he belongs with Reyna.

There are my least favorite couple/people in the seven. Jason is so strict and boring. Piper can talk... That is about it. She had charmspeak, but can't use a knife. I know everyone think they are the most uselles of the seven, but she kinda is.

BlackStar103 wrote: "Dria wrote: "Also, at the beginning of The Lost Hero, Jason had doubted his situation; he didn't immediately buy that Leo was his best friend and Piper his girlfriend. Why was that? His memories we..."

Well, it's your opinion. However, the all powerful author decides who gets their happy ending, not us! Anyway. people keep saying their relatioship is based on fake memories. How are those any less real to the people who have them than real memories? It seems like the mist had their personalities nailed down to a tee, and considering the recent through the wormholes I have watched, our memories aren't real, time is nonexistent, we're all really brains in jars, etc, etc. Hee hee. I just think the realtioship would be mutually beneficial. Jason would strengthen Piper (Less whining!) and Piper would make Jason less of a stone column. Does ANYONE agree with me??? (PS, Reyna scares me. :) )

Dria wrote: "BlackStar103 wrote: "Dria wrote: "Also, at the beginning of The Lost Hero, Jason had doubted his situation; he didn't immediately buy that Leo was his best friend and Piper his girlfriend. Why was ..."

My opinion:
I don't really care that the memories was fake but Piper seems to think that somehow it was real even though she knows it was the mist. Her clingy ness to Jason is a little creepy. I don't think they help each other or benefit from each other as much as they should. To be honest I feel like Jason is just going through the motion of having a girlfriend. He doesn't seem connected to Piper who thinks she and Jason are meant to be. I think Reyna and Jason will be better of together...IF... Rick Riodian even decides to make another couple

I have to say that no matter what, Rick will probably not pair Reyna and Jason. Sry.

I like them individually, but not as a thing. It's like the cheerleader dating the quarterback, it's so predictable. I mean like she's the pretty one who gets what she wants, but she can still fight. And he's like the all might leader of everything because his daddy is Zeus. IT'S. TOO. PREDICTABLE.

Mimi wrote: "I'm just gonna tell you straight up that I don't like Jasper. I feel like their relationship was rushed or like its that puzzle piece that doesn't fit but you jam it in there anyways. Um, I feel li..."
Isn't the Jiper relationship supposed to mirror Jason/Medea? Sorry Jiper fans, but I'd enjoy it if it did. It isn't really well-built. Jammed puzzle piece is a perfect description!
Jason doesn't care and Piper is close to obsessive. I've read a fanfic where Jason's really in love with Piper. Somehow that isn't the Jason in the book.
I don't particularly like either character. Even then, I think Jason doesn't deserve Piper- she's a person and he's a stone robot...or should I say automaton...it'd be nice if he was one.
I haven't read HoH yet, but I really hope that the relationship ends in it, or in the next book.

Well, as I am almost finished with HoH, Jiper doesn't end in it. Rather the book almost kinda enforces the Piper obsessive-ness. And I agree with Hazel how she doesn't see what Jason had to offer as the former praetor. He doesn't act casually enough to be more a like a person and not a character just on the page.

Reyna is on a dangerous position in HoH. No spoilers. It kinda crushed me where it said Jason didn't ever feel anything about her. I think that if they promised each other years ago they would go somewhere in Greece, that there's something. But I think uncle rick just didn't think that far... :(

I finished the book and Jiper doesn't seem to waver. I doubt they'll break up because Piper does seem obsessed. I'm not sure who deserves who and vice versa, but I know I don't like either of them as people. I don't know why, but Piper --and Jason for that matter-- aren't that...high up on my list of favourite people on my list. I don't know why, but for some reason they need to stop irking me. I don't know how Rick does it but he does.

I think people don't like Piper because she loves "love" and people see that as weak. And to be frank, it pisses me off. And I've noticed it a lot. When girls are "bitchy" or "have emotions" or anything they come off as weak instead of human. I can gurantee that if it were a boy everyone would be all over him. They'd be calling him "cute" and saying things like "aww, he deserves better" and it's not fair.
Sorry, this is just my two cents. I love Piper and all the other characters. And yes, they al have their faults but that's what makes them HUMAN!!

Well okay, you see her as obsessive and i don't. That's your pov and I think she does love him.

Well, wouldn't you want to know what he would be thinking?? Step in her shoes for a sec: Their relationship is pretty much based off of false memories and then it becomes all confusing after.
So yeah, she's insecure because she already loved him and then it turns out that it wasn't real and he isn't exactly being forthcoming so she's left guessing as to what he's feeling.
And it's not exactly easy opening up to someone, whether you love them or not.

I still think it's so typical, the prettiest girl in school gets the quarterback. She's the pretty chick, and he's the leader of everyone because his dad is Jupiter.

I'm reading comments and people are all like no, Reyna deserves her more, real memories, I don't freaking care! If Jason has real FEELINGS for Reyna then he should be with her but if he has feelings for piper then stay with piper, a relationship doesn't stay afloat because of memories, it stays afloat because the two WANT to be together, it doesn't matter if the memories weren't real with Jasper they realized it and moved on, they stayed together, that didn't matter, feelings are important! not old or fake memories that doesn't matter? I ship Jasper, I don't care if I'm the only one, I like piper even if no one else does.

Rain wrote: "I think people like Jason less just because he hasn't narrated enough. But he chose to be greek in HoH mainly so he could be with Piper. And she is totally in to him. They were literally made for e..."

I totally agree!!!! Jason has no feelings!!! He's automatic and piper gets kind of creepy. Percabeth rules. I still like jasper a bit though..

Kit wrote: "I'm reading comments and people are all like no, Reyna deserves her more, real memories, I don't freaking care! If Jason has real FEELINGS for Reyna then he should be with her but if he has feeling..."

I agree, and he was never with Reyna, she said they could have maybe gone out someday. They never officially went out!!!

BlackStar103 wrote: "Dria wrote: "Also, at the beginning of The Lost Hero, Jason had doubted his situation; he didn't immediately buy that Leo was his best friend and Piper his girlfriend. Why was that? His memories we..."
Thank you somebody understands!!!!

Kit wrote: "Rain wrote: "I think people like Jason less just because he hasn't narrated enough. But he chose to be greek in HoH mainly so he could be with Piper. And she is totally in to him. They were literal..."

Exactly! I hate that nobody really THINKS about it, I don't think Jason is right for Reyna. It just doesn't seem like it'd work.

Okay, the whole emotionless Jason thing? HE FOLLOWS RULES LIKE HUNDREDS OF OTHER PEOPLE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND ON THIS EARTH! YOU DON'T HAVE TO BREAK RULES TO BE A GOOD PERSON! IN FACT, THAT USUALLY MAKES YOU A BAD PERSON! Jeesh, I had to get that out of my system. People are so prejudiced. It used to be that men couldn't show emotion and women were supposed to. Now guys get away with it because it makes them seem "real", and girls get called out for whining. Plus, the only reason Jason didn't accept his situation is because he's smart! Imagine having your memory wiped. Would you just wake up believing everything everyone told you? Not if you were still in your right mind, you wouldn't! Bam! You're memories are gone! Your name is now Bob! Do you belive me? (Sorry, Bobs) I didn't think so! Rick knows what he's doing, just keep watching as the puzzle pieces fall into the right places.

Kit wrote: "Kit wrote: "Rain wrote: "I think people like Jason less just because he hasn't narrated enough. But he chose to be greek in HoH mainly so he could be with Piper. And she is totally in to him. They ..."

He still needs to branch out a bit, you can follow rules and be less, like, that. I agree though.

Kit wrote: "Kit wrote: "Kit wrote:"
Ha ha ha!

BlackStar103 wrote: "Okay. I see your point. Go do a victory dance or something."
I'm not being condescending or anything. It just pisses me off that LITERALLY everybody pretty much hates Piper and I feel like I'm the only one that likes her. I'm not trying to be mean (Am I being mean?) I'm just explaining why I like her. I don't mean to be rubbing it in or whatever. I'm sorry if I came off that way.

Are you going to do a victory dance anyway? :-)

Haha, yeah I will. But not for egotistical reasons or whatever. I'll do a Jasper victory dance.
*dances happily around in my room b/c of piper with my bro looking at me like I'ma weirdo*
he wouldn't understand. Ughh, mortals.

I CAN'T CONVINCE MY CRAZY FRIEND TO READ THE BOOKS! UGH, THE FRUSTRATION! How can some people think that such great books are boring, or not worth reading??? My world revolves around books, and all my friend cares about is her cell phone! Yurgh!

Dria wrote: "Okay, the whole emotionless Jason thing? HE FOLLOWS RULES LIKE HUNDREDS..."

Jason's "emotionlessness" has nothing to do with whether he follows rules or not. It's partly Piper's fault. She's not a whiner, but she is clinging to the fake memories. Maybe it's just that she's had a tough life and needs something to hold onto.
Jason doesn't believe everything people tell him, which is the smart thing to do, but after six months of actually knowing her, can't he decide about Piper? Remember, Son of Neptune is set practically half a year after Lost Hero and MoA is just after that. Surely he's gotten back quite a lot of his memories. Even at the end of Lost Hero, he remembered a little.
Maybe it's because I just haven't seen Jason's POV in MoA, but he seems less like a robot in Lost Hero. It's completely possible that you need to be reading about a character's feelings to sympathise with them.
Is it so surprising that it's a bit difficult to see how Jason feels (especially since he's trained not to show what he's thinking) and so people make assumptions?

I actually ship Jasper at least more than Jeyna. I agree with the people who think Jason and Piper don't really click. But that's only because I think those two are probably the least developed characters out of the seven. And Rick wasn't given much time to make a framework for their relationship. Whereas, Percabeth has two series to do so. I'm a major Percabeth shipper by the way! And Reyna tried to hook up with Percy in The Son Of Neptune but I don't hate her for that or disklike her in the slightest, though, I must admit I was a bit angry with her at first (What? I was just being a normal Percabeth shipper! Don't judge). She was desperate at the time with being the only praetor and Jason disappearing. I think Jason even admitted in The House Of Hades he kind of lead her on, I'm not sure I need to go back to the book. But yes, there is my opinion and reasonings. Please respect it.

Jasmine wrote: "I actually ship Jasper at least more than Jeyna. I agree with the people who think Jason and Piper don't really click. But that's only because I think those two are probably the least developed cha..."

i totally agree, but i feel that jasons and pipers realtionship needs something. its just sort of... boring. also jasons to perfect, he dosnt have any sort of secret, or problem.

and i dont hate reyna at all, i think shes a great character, although i do feel sad that shes alone.

No because Jason lost his memory. Not legitimate at all.

Go Shaina! SO TRUE!