The Mark of Athena discussion

Yeah, Piper and Jason actually spent a lot of time in Camp Half Blood together off screen, you could say, while the ArgoII was being built. I mean, the scenes from CHB in the ArgoII on the walls make the whole crew homsick- obviously they spent enough time there to become attached to the place.

Jason only saw Reyna as a partner, not as a girlfriend.

Right.

no

just no

No to what?

No to Jason only seeing Reyna as a partner, because that's definitely a yes. Don't invent stuff that didn't happen please.

Jason never saw Reyna as a girlfriend!

#friendzone

#rememberwhenthisusedtomeannumber

back in the day

My mom said it meant pound. So then I went around saying things like PoundYOLO to annoy my friends.

Getting back to the point...
After House of Hades, my opinion of each character separately has improved. Jason's "now I'm Roman, now I'm Greek" thing was hard to believe, but he is a little different. He seems more considerate. Or does it seem like that because that was an aspect of his personality that was never portrayed before?
(Okay, no, I don't think so. Because that's a crucial part of someone's personality, ESPECIALLY if they're on a quest.)

Piper's fight with Khione was really cool. I never knew her powers were so...powerful. She really showed that she cared for the quest and the people on the quest, which is a good thing. (A disinterested member on a quest is not exactly a recipe for success.)I'm also glad that she took care to learn how to use a weapon. Knowing how to use a weapon can help you out in situations where charmspeak can't. (Like in Midas' house, or on a battlefield where everything's too loud and happens too fast for charmspeak to be used. Charmspeak does have it's advantages, but if Piper can use both her power and her weapon, she's better prepared.)

And I like how she thinks of using the cornucopia as a way out of problems that don't involve starvation or thirst. A cornucopia may not be an effective weapon against a giant turtle, but it does help you distract an annoyed Heracles or save yourself from drowning in whatever she, Jason, and Percy were drowning in.
Anyone else agrees?

I wish Leo knew how to fight with something other than a hammer.

Ananth wrote: "I wish Leo knew how to fight with something other than a hammer."

lol

Jasvir wrote: "piper doesn't deserve a guy like Jason. Reyna and Jason would compliment each other. both have powerful personality whereas piper is a weakling. moreover piper's feelings started from a memory crea..."

agreed

Dria wrote: "Reyna seems really nasty. Not all the time, I mean, but I'd hate her if I knew her! Plus, Piper is a vegetarian, so she gets points. Plus, Reyna tried to hook up with Percy when Jason left! Talk ab..."

Pretty sure she was trying to get over the fact that her other candidate for her boyfriend was off the face of the planet for all she knew.

By finding a new boyfriend? Not really the best way, IMO.

BlackStar103 {Go Rot in Hell } wrote: "Dria wrote: "By finding a new boyfriend? Not really the best way, IMO."

For like 8 months!"

What did Annabeth do when Percy disappeared?

Daniel wrote: "Dria wrote: "Reyna seems really nasty. Not all the time, I mean, but I'd hate her if I knew her! Plus, Piper is a vegetarian, so she gets points. Plus, Reyna tried to hook up with Percy when Jason ..."

You shouldn't judge people or characters based on their dietary habits.

What?

Lakshya wrote: "Percy went missing for three days
Jason went missing for eight months there is a difference"

Do you really think Annabeth would have given up on him? She'd probably show herself to the Underworld before date someone else. I'm not trying to critize Reyna anymore. I just think she and Jason weren't an item, and I'm trying to defend my ship. (Jasper)

I know how long they were gone. I didn't argue that.

Ananth wrote: "Daniel wrote: "Dria wrote: "Reyna seems really nasty. Not all the time, I mean, but I'd hate her if I knew her! Plus, Piper is a vegetarian, so she gets points. Plus, Reyna tried to hook up with Pe..."
I didn't >.> I was replying to another post.

I love Reyna and I think she deserves someone who loves her back which Jason clearly doesn't. I don't like Jason and piper much as characters but as a couple I think they work because it seems they really care about each other.

Hopefully he isn't as bad as his dad, Jupiter. Jupiter is a womanizer.

Jason, a womanizer? And Leo's a monk!

Not insulting Leo- just saying Jason isn't a womanizer.

Hopefully he isn't as bad as his dad, Jupiter. Jupiter is a womanizer is what she said. And I'm saying, no, he's NOT as bad as his dad.

I love their relationship I think they suit perfectly

Dria wrote: "Reyna seems really nasty. Not all the time, I mean, but I'd hate her if I knew her! Plus, Piper is a vegetarian, so she gets points. Plus, Reyna tried to hook up with Percy when Jason left! Talk ab..."
I do not think that Reyna is a bad person, she is a leader. if a leader isn't strong, or doesn't appear to be they wont be a leader for very long. I also think that your forgetting that it had been like 6 months since Jason had disappeared, she probably though he might be dead.

Piper's life is way to easy, even mortals have the same lifestyle as her and they don't complain, so why does she? Even Silena had worse things happen to her.

I like Piper, but i am seriously starting to get tired of Jason. At the end of the Mark of Athena, he even told Piper, "I thought i was suposed to be the leader of this quest, but everyone is treating me with such equality." that basically sums up that whole conversation.

Mimi wrote: "I'm just gonna tell you straight up that I don't like Jasper. I feel like their relationship was rushed or like its that puzzle piece that doesn't fit but you jam it in there anyways. Um, I feel li..."

i heartily agree!

I am fine with Piper as one of Jason's closest friends. I am not ok with the idea of Piper being the girlfriend of Jason. They aren't meant to be in a serious relationship. It is best if they both remain just friends.

I honestly can't easily visualize Jason and Piper together. Jeyna seems a lot more realistic in my opinion, partly because I feel like Reyna understands Jason more than Piper ever will.

Leyna would be better than Jasper.

I know my comment is a little bit late but I just had to express my feelings towards that relationship so here it is...
I do not think that jasper is real because due to the fact that jason felt he was really confused about his feelings about piper because there was this other girl (reyna) in the lost hero. I personally think that the relationship was made to ensure that the alliance between the Greeks and the Romans would most likely happen. In my own opinion I very much think this is not a good couple (people have their opinions please don't judge) I think that jason would be a better fit to reyna because they have REAL MEMORIES TOGETHER AND NOT FAKE ONES THAT JASPER HAS!!!!! their ship will get sucked in a whirl pool and see its death in my world...
Please do not judge my opinion cuz it's my opinion...✌️

I think it's implied Hera and Aphrodite are controlling their relationship.

Jason is my favorite character. He is misunderstood by most people, so he is seen by them as something he is not. He is an INTP personality, for those who know Meyers-Briggs. This is one of the reasons he pairs up nicely with Piper. She is a feeler, he a thinker. She is an extrovert, he is an introvert. She is a judger, he is a perciever. In other words, they are almost complete opposites so they complement each other. Also, it is thought that INTPs get along well with ENFJs in relationships.

Dria wrote: "Okay, the whole emotionless Jason thing? HE FOLLOWS RULES LIKE HUNDREDS OF OTHER PEOPLE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND ON THIS EARTH! YOU DON'T HAVE TO BREAK RULES TO BE A GOOD PERSON! IN FACT, THAT USUALLY M..."

I agree with the whole rule breaking and memory wipe thing. People are just comparing him to Percy too much.

Ananth wrote: "Frazel and Jasper are failures. It's pretty obvious."

I totally agree.

First things first:

1. Aphrodite is controlling the relationship. She had the talk with Reyna so Jason would never like her. She wants her daughter to be with a handsome guy so she makes the fake memories. Hera would have just left it at the illusion that all three of the lost trio were friends. It was Aphrodite who put the fake relationship in Piper's mind. When the girls met her in Charleston, Aphrodite was surprisingly silent on the topic. She probably didn't want her daughter to think she was influencing them.

2. It is implied that Piper was the first girl Jason ever liked. He never had feelings for Reyna. It is never said if he ever had a crush on anyone at Camp Jupiter. Percy admits to having crushes before Annabeth. It seems like that if Jason had a crush on someone at Camp Jupiter, it would have been mentioned when he was recalling people from his past. This leaves the possibility that maybe without Aphrodite's interfearance, he may have not been attracted to anybody at all. Generally saying, most teenaged boys have girls (or boys) on their minds. Jason was sixteen and had not shown that, but yet Percy, Frank, Leo, and Nico have.

3. It seems like Piper is also controlling the relationship with her daughter of Aphrodite powers. The whole thing where in the first page of the lost hero when Jason first notes that she is cute and how he notices her eyes. When he first meets other girls like Rachel or Annabeth, he doesn't note how they are attractive. Also, the part in the house of hades, mentioned before, where he thinks about Reyna and Piper clouds his thoughts.

Taking these points in mind, it seems that the relationship was forced and that Jason did not initiate it. He himself was never truly attracted to her, and she only liked him because of the fake memories. This does not however mean that it is a terrible one. They had some bumps, but in the end of the Blood of Olympus, they both seemed really happy. That is all that really matters.

And the whole Reyna isn't happy thing: she kind of brought it upon herself. Not that she chose to talk to Aphrodite, but that she chose to pursue demigods after the talk. She also was then a jerk to Jason because he didn't like her, which wasn't fair to him. This doesn't mean she is a bad person though, it just means that she has a lot to learn in love.

And while the topic was brought up, I agree with the point that Rick Riordan was just trying to match characters up.

1. Frazel. They seemed like they were not really good for each other. Maybe as friends. Frank only really liked Hazel because she was attractive and the only girl who didn't reject him. Hazel only liked Frank because he was nice to her.

2. Caleo. They also were two characters who didn't seem like they were a good match. Calypso was quite mean and abrasive to Leo. Leo "falls in love" with any girl who is pretty. He is suddenly so obsessed with a girl he knew for a few days. Calypso seems like she doesn't really like him and that she just finds him funny.

3. Jasper. Their relatolionship was forced. I elaborated on this in a previous post.

4. Sadie and walt/anubis. This one is a no brainer. She only likes Anubis and Walt for looks. The whole solution was terrible. Can't choose between two guys, have both. My personal opinion is that Rick Riordan should have paired her up with Leo.

5. Carter and Zia. He likes her because she is beautiful. She only liked him because he was sweet on her.

6. Tyson and Ella. Yet another attempt to matchmake. Tyson seemed too mentally young to have a girlfriend.

This doesn't mean that the couples are bad though. It just means that Rick Riordan isn't a good romance writer, but really the books are about mythology and action, not romance. All that really matters to the characters is that they are happy.

I have to say, that I think RR jumped on this relationship train too fast. I agree with what a lot of you are saying. I don't like Jason, and I don't like Jasper. They were lumped together from the beginning, and they don't seem to have a real relationship. A few concerning thoughts or actions does not equate a relationship. RR needs to give them a clean slate, time apart or something so that they can overcome the bullshit and be together, because I have a feeling that Jasper isn't going to happen. As for Frazel, this happened because they're both clinging for somebody to love and accept them so willingly. Frank is someone Hazel can rely on and always be there for her. He's the sweet, considerate boyfriend that girls have to feel safe because he worships the ground they walk on.
I think RR was a little bit presumptuous to make the whole ships have a relationship with one another. Make Jasper break up and be best friends, because they'd make awesome best friends. But, this most likely isn't going to happen, I know.
If only this book was an NA, it'd be so much better

Their relationship is a bit reminiscient of our* ah-ahem* sparkly Edward and whining Bella,isn't it?Piper and Jason's PDA really gets on my nerves.That girl needs psychological help,she's obsessed with Jason.I mean, okay, Iget it,they are a couple,that doesn't mean that they have to show their feelings openly all the time.It does get boring,and i hope Rick understands that.Percabeth is FAR better,though i personally am not very fond of Annabeth.

i guess jason is good with piper

I think it matters less how the relationship started and that it matters more on the fact that they are happy.

Nope. It's very cliche to be true. The handsome boy who is helpless yet charming yet strong. The beautiful senti girl who happens to be aphrodite's daughter who REALLY gets on my nerves. Their relationship is just not legit.

It's not terrible, but the fact that both Piper and Jason are boring just makes the whole relationship boring.

Boring + Boring = Boring