DumbleDORKS discussion

Waaay too cheesy. :P

Okay. Maybe it was a bit cheesy. But I think the cheesiness was exaggerated because it was surrounded by the intense quest of theirs.

Also, must mention I am obsessed with Ed Sheeran's I See Fire song right now.

Me, too. xD

Oh my gosh, me too! So good! I'm in the process of figuring it out on guitar so I can cover it!

I just saw it yesterday and I thought it was pretty amazing.

I just saw this movie Saturday night. Sadly, I was disappointing by it. There was more action, but less character development. Oh and I spent half the movie sulking because (view spoiler)[ They left Kili behind. HOW DARE YOU LEAVE MY FAVORITE DWARF BEHIND!?!!?! HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!!! (hide spoiler)]

Anyone else having really bad Kiliel emotions?

Nelli wrote: "Anyone else having really bad Kiliel emotions?"

Really bad as in anger that it ever happened? Yes.

Check out my review on "The Hobbit: Desolation of Smaug" Comments are welcome! Lets get a debate going!

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Nelli wrote: "Anyone else having really bad Kiliel emotions?"

Yes. Same as Johanna. I could have happily survived everything else. Well...maybe not happily, at first, but I would have gotten to used to everything else at some point. That will never stop bugging me. >.<

To me this movie is like Ender's Game it is fantastic if you haven't read the book otherwise there is to many added things and removed things the sudden appearance of you know who, way less singing then there should be the fact that Bilbo didn't point out the bare spot so that the Thrush could tell Bard ( I doubt that will happen) the meeting of Smaug was different then it should be, but hey if you haven't read the book then it is fantastic ( * note* the movie could have been a lot shorter I'm wondering how they are going to find time to put a war, the return journey, and later on stuff that they must add into the last movie)

Alpa { call me the Rainbow Space Cat of Lasers and Death} wrote: "To me this movie is like Ender's Game it is fantastic if you haven't read the book otherwise there is to many added things and removed things the sudden appearance of you know who, way less singing..."

I've read the book (more than once) and I loved the movie. So don't go saying it's only a good movie if you haven't read the book. All the major events were there in the correct order. All Peter Jackson did was add stuff, which in most cases I thought made the story (dare I say it?) better than the book story. There's just more depth in the characters and the story. The book is very surface-scratching in a lot of parts.

I agree with anna

Me too. The things added are all from the appendices, and I for one am glad to see more of Middle Earth.

Annalisia wrote: "I also liked most of the added parts. The book seemed to go really fast, with less detail.
However I feel like some parts take away from Bilbo, when the book a was centered around him. I really lik..."

Oh, I totally disagree about the CGI! I thought it was brilliant and realistic! Especially Smaug. Wow. So good.

Anna wrote: "Annalisia wrote: "I also liked most of the added parts. The book seemed to go really fast, with less detail.
However I feel like some parts take away from Bilbo, when the book a was centered around..."

Oh my god, Smaug's CGI was AMAZING! I did dislike some of the Orcs's CGI (it didn't look that real, you could tell it was CGI), I prefer it like how it was in LOTR, people in costumes as the orcs, but that's my only pet peeve about the movie. The rest was just amazing! Ugh, how am I gonna wait for the third?

(view spoiler)[Okay, and who wasn't freaking out over Kili getting injured? I was really worried he was going to die. (hide spoiler)]

Agent wrote: "Me too. The things added are all from the appendices, and I for one am glad to see more of Middle Earth."

They were not. Tauriel is a total figment of Peter Jackson's imagination, as is the romance between Kili and Tauriel. Tolkien had nothing to do with that, thank goodness. Legolas and Tauriel following the Company, the dwarves being left behind in Laketown, Kili wounded with an arrow, the dwarves charging into Erebor to rescue Bilbo, that whole dragon-chase scene, the molten gold statue: NONE of that was either in the book, or the Appendices.
Sorry. People liking it I can accept, but people making the excuse that it was all Tolkien I cannot tolerate. Azog, yes, Azog was mentioned in the book, and I believe he is in the Appendices, or some other history of Middle Earth. Azog surviving and chasing after the Company, however, that was not in the Appendices.
I think the Necromancer was in the Appendices . . . even Gandalf's discovering him during the events of The Hobbit. But that other stuff . . . nope.

Johanna ღ♣✽Hobbit & Proud✽♣ღ wrote: "They were not. Tauriel is a total figment of Peter Jackson's imagination, a..."

You're right, Johanna. There was a lot that came out of the writers' imaginations that wasn't in the appendices. And even with Azog, I'm pretty sure he's dead before the quest for Erebor even starts. The thing is, you have to try to see WHY things are added or changed. These movies have to appeal to more than just Tolkien-lovers. Do you realize how much the critics would have gone after Jackson if there wasn't a major female character in the movie? Okay, I'm still not a fan of the Tauriel/Kili romance, simply because it was cheesy. But there were definitely some changed/added things that made the movie better than it ever could have been if only the events of the book had been used and done in the same way.

For instance, I liked that Kili was injured. It made it more exciting. (If you remember, they do something similar with Aragorn in The Two Towers when he "dies" falling off a cliff and returns later. That's not in the book even remotely.)

I also liked that some of the dwarves were left in Laketown. I find that when they're all together, it's hard to keep track of them and only a few even get lines. But when they were separated, we got to know some individuals a bit better. It was totally a character development thing.

The dwarves going into Erebor was much better for the movie because otherwise I don't think the dwarves would have even had an encounter with Smaug before he left for Laketown. Much more epic.

I think in order to love the movie, one just needs to look past it not being the same as the book and consider WHY things were changed or added. Personally, I love nearly all of it.

Johanna ღ♣✽Hobbit & Proud✽♣ღ wrote: "Agent wrote: "Me too. The things added are all from the appendices, and I for one am glad to see more of Middle Earth."

They were not. Tauriel is a total figment of Peter Jackson's imagination, a..."

Okay. Maybe not all (I haven't actually read the appendices). PJ only added Tauriel because he said the story needed a badass female character. And I am really glad he added her because I can't imagine 9 hours of just male main characters on the screen. Some of the things PJ added were for the advancement of the plot. The dwarves being left behind in Laketown is probably a set up for battle when Smaug arrives. And Kili was shot so they would stay behind. The dragon chase may not have done much, but I enjoyed it and it was visually stunning. And you can't just think of all the 'negative' (depending on your opinion) things. He gave Bard a personality and a storyline which Tolkein didn't do in the book. In the book he just sorta turns up to save the day without much on an introduction. It will be much more satisfying in the movie when (book spoiler) (view spoiler)[Bard kills Smaug (hide spoiler)] because we know more about him.
I'm not making excuses that it was all Tolkein. What I wrote was not read through. Please don't kill me for defending PJ. I just think that most of the things PJ added improved the storyline.

Yeah. No, I can understand why some of the things were added (not that I'm happy with all of it), and/or removed, and you make a good argument.
I was just correcting Agent when she said that it was all in the Appendices. Elements may have been, but no, it wasn't all in the appendices.

Kili wounded I didn't mind - I'd totally forgotten the Aragorn thing, but you're right. The only thing that irritated me about that is that it was supposed to be hugely traumatic, and worrying, and tragic . . . but I really didn't care. For one thing, we all know (view spoiler)[ the fellow's going to die in the end, anyway. (Sorry, fangirls) (hide spoiler)] And I just don't understand why people love Kili so much. To me, he's just one of the dwarves, not even my favourite, one who's already doomed, and one who was involved in a cheesy romance with a female elf . . . so frankly, I wasn't even remotely worried about him.

I didn't like the left-behind-dwarves part. It may be character development, but there was something charming and magical about the moment in the book where all the dwarves finally see Erebor. All together. As a Company. And they're awed, overcome with memories, and emotion, and the realisation that they've made it. Not only were three of them missing, but they all charged in very unceremoniously, which sort of wrecked the whole scene.

Which leads me to that. It upset me no end. I think it's because Bilbo going into Erebor, stealing the goblet, and returning . . . that's his moment of success! His moment of glory! As the book puts it,
"Balin was overjoyed to see the hobbit again, and as delighted as he was surprised. He picked Bilbo up and carried him out into the open air. It was midnight and clouds had covered the stars, but Bilbo lay with his eyes shut, gasping and taking pleasure in the feel of the fresh air again, and hardly noticing the excitement of the dwarves, or how they praised him and patted him on the back and put themselves and all their families for generations to come at his service."
It's when he finally proves himself as a burglar. And they skipped that entire scene.

Gah.
Ignore me, though. I'm really, really glad you enjoyed it. :) I enjoyed it, too, except for the parts I've mentioned. It was a great movie.

We don't have to ignore you. I guess it just makes me sad when people I know are such fans don't enjoy the movies as much as I do. I am glad you enjoyed it at least somewhat, Johanna.

I'm just imagining Balin pick up Bilbo right now...not working. haha Balin is the same height or even shorter in the movie. As to that scene, yeah, it might have been nice. But some of the characterization changed in the movie too. Thorin is a lot more dark and scary than in the book. I think what they did fits a bit better.

I loved the movie. :) I couldn't not, because I love the book so much. There were just things I was disappointed in.

I agree, Jo. It made me extremely sad when they left them behind. And angry. That Kili might never see Erebor because he tried to save them with the barrels. That Fili might never see it because he lived his brother too much. Because (view spoiler)[they might die before they arrive. Which is what PJ might do. They might follow the lake-men there and die in battle before they even arrive. (hide spoiler)] Aw... Now I'm getting all choked up...

I NEED THE THIRD MOVIE

ME TOO. That ending...
"What have we done?"

So perfect, yet so infuriating

Elysia wrote: "Anna wrote: "Annalisia wrote: "I also liked most of the added parts. The book seemed to go really fast, with less detail.
However I feel like some parts take away from Bilbo, when the book a was ce..."

-Spoiler response: (view spoiler)[ Probably... I was actually frightened he was going to die! They made it awfully convincing. (hide spoiler)]

@Melisquish! (view spoiler)[ Oh no! Maybe...I suppose. If the youngest and hopefullest of all of the dwarves die before they actually are in Erebor, though...grrrr... (hide spoiler)]

I know... But it seems like something PJ would do. Just to break our hearts.

(view spoiler)[ Mine will already be broken... (hide spoiler)] I have a very glad time imagining crying in the movie theatre, and in front of the TV, once we watch There and Back Again. However it probably won't be as amusing once we see it...(view spoiler)[ *sobbing* (hide spoiler)]

True, true. I hope I don't cry as much as Dark World... I probably won't, because I'll have to keep a straight face for my family...

They probably will cry too, you shall not be alone! Have any sisters?

Yep! One. 10, though, so she's obviously not in live with any of them... When I went to see Desolation, before we went in my dad asked me what I was most excited for, so I lied and said the barrel scene. Because somehow I don't think he'd understand that I wanted to see Bilbo's amazingness, and Orlando Bloom... XD mostly Bilbo, though. Legolas was old :(

...Yes?
Mine was...hm...when Thorin steps on the key.

Or..."Do not give him hope where there is none,"

:D. Brb! Um...Probably in a few hours that is...

XD okay.
My favorite scenes after watching were:
A.
THAT NOSE TWITCH
B. The barrel scene when Bilbo is completely confused, and walking around the room, trying to figure out what just happened. XD
C. Aren't you going to search me? I could have anything down my trousers.
And the key was MARVELOUS.

...Or...right now.

The NOSE TWITCH YES! Most wonderful part of the first fifty minutes, dare I say it.
Yes. Totally.
^^Martin Freeman is stupendously terrific at facial expressions, those are the most sweet!

Och :P. That seems to be remarkably popular.

THE NOSE TWITCH. At the end of the movie, as I exited, I literally thought: man. That nose twitch was really adorable.
What was popular?

^^C, the third scene mentioned. Lol.

Heh. For both the Dark World and the Desolation of Smaug I just continually chattered.
I actually remember being unable to speak walking down the steps in the seats, actually, with TDW!

Ah, I see. It's not my absolute favorite, it just made me laugh. I liked the other two much better :) I didn't like the love triangle, but that like was funny ;)

I cried for most of Dark World. For DOS I mostly just either looked to my right (my dad) or my left (my sis) and freaked out over certain scenes.

Hey, hey, I'm not about to hold it against you for liking a certain portion of it!
Ah...I loved the film, but to cop a phrase off Johanna, I was disappointed. I'm saving judgement 'til we watch it again on DVD, tho'
...
Cried for most of it?
I'm not sure whether to congratulate you or to chide you ;). I didn't cry per se but I swear the girls I sat by were starting to get a little worried about me, lol.

Yes... I have to say that I just felt a sinking sadness and disappointment when they left the dwarves behind. It just didn't feel right. The dwarves I used to know would never have left them behind. They wouldn't have deprived them of their chance.

Yes... After (view spoiler)[Loki's "death" I stared in shock at the screen for a while, and then started sobbing. I missed a little bit because I was crying so hard. And then the end... Well, j missed the entire credits. I managed to watch the credit scenes, although I don't remember them very well... My brain kind of switched off or something... (hide spoiler)]

Brain switching off sounds familiar! Hm. I'm fairly sure I expected (view spoiler)[ his death (hide spoiler)] so I didn't overreact that majorly.
At the end though...I....I...gasped, and a sob kind of caught and I felt like shrieking, then when we came down I rejoined my brother and tried to comment on it...and ended up squeaking and acting like a beached fish :D.

Ahem. I guess that was to show(for the Desolation of Smaug /\ ) that they aren't the dwarves they used to be. At least Thorin isn't. But perhaps he wanted to protect his nephew?

I didn't expect it :( so I cried. Although I cried harder at the end because I was so happy and confused XD

That's not Thorin :(
He would have wanted him to see Erebor, no matter what the cost. :'(

YESSSS!! Happy and confused and angry, and then since he really never stopped tricking people...grr, eee.

*ruminates* I can't concur without sounding like an agreeing machine but...perhaps we're both some portion or correct, eh?

Melisquish wrote: "XD okay.
My favorite scenes after watching were:
A.
THAT NOSE TWITCH
B. The barrel scene when Bilbo is completely confused, and walking around the room, trying to figure out what just happened. X..."

YES THE BILBO AND THE BARRELS PART. MARTIN. Best scene.

I loved it!! He looks so puzzled! And so much like the Hobbit from Bag-End!
*insert feels here*

That part was so amazing. I loved it :)

Johanna ღ♣✽Hobbit & Proud✽♣ღ wrote: "Yeah. No, I can understand why some of the things were added (not that I'm happy with all of it), and/or removed, and you make a good argument.
I was just correcting Agent when she said that it w..."

I AGREE.

Lindsay wrote: "I AGREE. "

To all of it?
Whoot! That rant wasn't totally for nothing! xDD I love it when I find people who agree with me. *high five*

Johanna ღ♣✽Hobbit & Proud✽♣ღ wrote: "Agent wrote: "Me too. The things added are all from the appendices, and I for one am glad to see more of Middle Earth."

They were not. Tauriel is a total figment of Peter Jackson's imagination, a..."

I had a feeling Tauriel wasn't a character by Tolkein! I was EXTREMELY frustrated that they just threw in a random female character, and the romance, ugh, not needed. I'm reading the book and I'm was like ''Wait, I don't remember her'' and that's why!

It really bother s me when they just add a character that wasn't in the book. (Or unnecessary romance, blah)