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message 1: by James, Group Founder (last edited Oct 24, 2015 02:05AM) (new)

James Morcan | 11380 comments What does everyone think of hacktivists (social activist hackers) who say they do "ethical hacking" to change society for the better?

Groups like Anonymous and others.

Personally, I think it's a potentially volatile movement especially as everyone is anonymous and it could therefore be easily infiltrated by the "bad guys". However, I also believe there may be times when the public have no other way to stand up for their rights and it's a useful last resort. There are moments when almost everyone in the public seems to know an event is wrong, and yet (elitist) governments go ahead and do it anyway no matter how much the public protest. For example, the decision to invade Iraq because of Saddam's supposed WMDs, now fairly commonly accepted to be fictitious/unproven WMDs used by the global elite to start a war, would have been stopped dead in its tracks had it gone to a public referendum. On occasions like these, I tend to think maybe a little hacking to expose the nefarious agenda of governments (and their associated intel agencies) wouldn't go astray.

A small recent example in the news media of this phenomenon would be this article:

An anonymous hacker is taking down racist websites
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2...

Excerpt from article:

"An anonymous hacker has been carrying out vigilante attacks against a number of racist websites.

"The hacker, who goes by the name "sgtbilko420", is conducting DDoS attacks on websites affiliated with the KKK and online stores selling racist paraphernalia -- with the promise that "this is only a little of what I can do"."

p.s. I wish I could've been a fly on the wall when some KKK Grand Wizard logged in to the KKK's official website to see it's been replaced by something like Amnesty International! :)


message 2: by Elisabet (new)

Elisabet Norris | 486 comments Sounds like a version of Robin Hood... hard not to cheer these hactivists on. They are targeting organizations that are not only bullying but also causing harm (and historically, murdering people) for genetic reasons.

I wouldn't mind adding some websites or radical groups on to a "to be hacked" wish list.

As you mentioned, it is a concern that since hackers are anonymous they can be infiltrated. I'm not sure how concerned I am about it, as I think regardless of what type of opposition you are fighting, there will be infiltrators. Nonetheless, it lets these organizations know that they are not free to do harm without opposition. That in itself makes it worth fighting for... even when you know you are fighting a losing battle.

I want these hackers to hack gun control databases. I want every citizen to be on the list. I don't see why a regular person needs a machine gun that shoots multiple rounds without re-loading. I'm not concerned about hunting rifles or handguns (usually domestic accident rather than public shootings).

That website you posted got me all excited. Amnesty International is an excellent organization and I have signed many of their petitions.

In the past we have had amazing public speakers fighting for our freedom, but times have changed and I think hactivism is just one way to reach out without being assassinated.

On the flip side... not just do-gooders know how to hack. Anybody's web site can be hacked and that is a concerning thought... at least we know that some of them are doing good with their hacking abilities.


message 3: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11380 comments Lisa wrote: "Sounds like a version of Robin Hood... hard not to cheer these hactivists on. They are targeting organizations that are not only bullying but also causing harm (and historically, murdering people) ..."

I agree with everything you say - smart points.
I am an Amnesty International member also.


message 4: by Elisabet (new)

Elisabet Norris | 486 comments something to think about :

http://gizmodo.com/about-that-kkk-dox...

when my friend's dad decided to become a public leader of the nazi party it affected his entire family. ..including extended family...some even ended up changing their last name. I can see a concern when hactivists choose to release names without verifying the authenticity of the affiliation.


message 5: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11380 comments Lisa wrote: "something to think about :

http://gizmodo.com/about-that-kkk-dox...

when my friend's dad decided to become a public leader of the nazi party it affected his entire family. ..including extended family...some even ended up changing their last name. I can see a concern when hactivists choose to release names without verifying the authenticity of the affiliation. ..."


True. There is collateral damage and immoral or unethical decisions in all such ventures. No social venture is ever entirely pure or innocent.

You mean your friend's dad was Neo-Nazi right? Surely there has been no more official Nazi party anywhere since 1945?


message 6: by Elisabet (new)

Elisabet Norris | 486 comments in 1980 neonazis in Norway established Natjonalt Folkeparti. ..before that, in the 70's they were called Norsk Front (NF)...they never really made any political decisions for the country. Luckily the average resident doesn't support this type of hatred.
https://no.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norsk...


message 7: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11380 comments Anonymous Hits New York Stock Exchange, World Bank, The Fed, and Vatican -- http://www.activistpost.com/2016/05/a...


message 8: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11380 comments How Anonymous Hackers Changed the World (full documentary) -- https://www.goodreads.com/videos/1080...


message 9: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11380 comments Ditto!


message 10: by Feliks (new)

Feliks (dzerzhinsky) I'm not impressed by hackers. The foremost question is, what credentials do they have to take the actions they embark on? What guides their decision making? What's their education level, what's their political consciousness? Why should we trust their decision-making more than anyone else? What's their maturity level, what's their record of dedication to any cause? Have they ever shown dependability? Merely making mayhem, does not count much in my book.


message 12: by Asterion (new)

Asterion (Yimsel) I WISH FOR TINKER WATSON


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