Underground Knowledge — A discussion group discussion

"it demolishes most of the myths discussed in this group"

Sounds like all the answers we need in one book from just one author. How convenient is that? Everything we need to set us on the straight and narrow ;)

No idea what you are talking about, mate, and I've no time to check out your site or book.

Just found it rather odd that you'd join a group, make a snap decision about all the hundreds of different topics discussed here by thousands of members worldwide with extremely diverse opinions and beliefs, and imply the only topics discussed in this group are "myths" which your book singlehandedly "demolishes"...

A bit of advice for future book promotion: a little humility goes a long way with potential readers ;)

Catalin wrote: "I looked over the subjects and topics of this group: ET's, UFO's, conspiracies, and so on.
I am no trying to offend anyone. But after i studied them for like 20 years, I finally came to realize tha..."

As expected, you're skimming things and rushing to snap decisions (but don't worry, that's a very common error within the skeptics community as many a reformed skeptic has acknowledged).

Your analogy where everyone believes Martians exist doesn't remotely fit in this instance if you think about it for the point I was clearly making with my "diverse opinions" statement is the diversity of membership in this group means there are no unified beliefs or consensus about virtually any topic (at least none that I've ever noticed). If you'd spent even 5 mins looking at the lively and sometimes heated debates within this group before stating a book about the Apocalypse of all things relates to many or even any of these topics and can set the record straight, you'd already know this.

I would also argue the political subjects discussed in this group, the potential reasons for wars and the monetary system, along with a whole host of other hard to understand topics, are every bit as complex as astrophysics and chemistry and demand just as much humility to accurately assess them e.g. I've been researching these topics for slightly more than your 20 years of study and am still trying to find answers about many things...In fact, I have more questions than answers! Likewise, others in this group from such diverse backgrounds as New York Times bestselling authors, internationally-renowned scientists, leading investigative journalists, economists, social activists and whistleblowers, doctors and neuroscientists, former intelligence agents (CIA/NSA/MI6), ex-military officers, former NASA engineers and even Pulitzer Prize nominees, have been studying these topics for even longer (in some cases 50+ years) and all indicate they are still baffled by many of these subjects and continue to search for the ultimate truths about what is really occurring behind the scenes in our world...

The conspiracy topics you allude to have very healthy doses of skepticism from members (e.g. Many or even most in this group appear to think aliens are not or may not be real, from what I've observed in the comments) and some topics are actually about debunking (e.g. I personally don't believe in the Illuminati theory.).

Lastly, I'd Refer you to Julian Assange who said: "Conspiracies occur everywhere. There are also crazed conspiracy theories. It's important not to confuse the two".

Again, what Assange is referring to is a very common mistake within the skeptics community. Of course, skepticism is a crucial tool to have when assessing how the world really operates, but when it becomes extreme and eradicates open-mindedness (as seems to be the case with many who proudly announce they are "skeptics" or with professional skeptics) such individuals unfortunately become about as braindead as those gullible people who naively accept any old idea or theory.

Catalin wrote: "Should I add more? ..."

Um no, pls don't...I'm bored of inadvertently promoting your book, mate. I'm all for helping out authors, but joining a group you don't relate to or respect the membership of, then saying to us all in mocking tones that your book will provide ALL the answers on a million topics it's not related to and that we'll all be enlightened after reading it and recognize the errors of our ways, is something that I personally would be pretty embarrassed to have stated in public...

Book promotion tip #2 for beginners: Don't say infantile shit online that you're bound to grow out of as what you say on the internet usually remains online forever for anyone to see...

The fact that you think science is much more important than political issues and other equally complex topics like Julian Assange refers to (and what this group is mostly about), once again shows you're quick to shoot from the lip without properly digesting things or doing due diligence. And yet you say Assange's conspiracies are valid, which merely confirms exactly what I'm saying and refutes what you're saying if you stop and think about it...

And to immediately jump to the Ïlluminati theory (something I already stated I don't relate to nor do many or even most other members of this group from what I've observed) and anti-Semitic theories (something I'm violently opposed to and have written to warn readers about at length and would always speak out against) shows you're playing the old game of attempting to discredit viable discussions about things like the Military Industrial Complex by implying those taking part in the discussions are all tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy extremists solely interested in things like shapeshifting reptiles. Unfortunately for you, this is a very old tactic that the mass public are now waking up to as distrust grows for world leaders...

One of numerous examples of "underground knowledge" would be Operation Paperclip. This documented, factual, CIA/OSS declassified program resulted in thousands of German scientists, many of whom were members of the Nazi Party, being brought into the US post WW2 and secretly integrated into American society. I would estimate 5-10% of Americans and about the same percentage of the public worldwide are aware that occurred. But unlike what you imply with your statement that these subjects are all historical fiction, Paperclip is completely factual.

Likewise with Operation Northwoods (the US govt's on-the-record think tank in which all the US Joint Chiefs of Staff submitted a proposal to JFK to conduct fake terrorism on US soil and bomb multiple cities) and Operation Mockingbird (the CIA's declassified project that involved hiring 400+ leading journalists in the US to provide false or agenda-based media reports to the public).

For references to many more examples of legitimate and factual underreported incidents and events, start here with an essay I wrote on the topic: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

I do agree with one thing you mentioned where you referred to "the underground trend". There definitely is a trend to this sort of thinking, which partially relates to this sort of info slowly leaking out to the public, and partially because of the growing distrust in world leaders I previously mentioned. Unlike what you're implying (i.e. that the underground trend is idiotic), I have faith in the "wisdom of the crowds" and believe in the common people who are often right about such things. But you're welcome to give your opinion of this trend and continue to enlighten us all of the ultimate truths elsewhere in this group.

I think however it is best to freeze this discussion thread from here as I fear this is all a tactic of yours to create interest in your book instead of actually having a legitimate debate about these diverse subjects. Happy to continue the debate with you on all the misunderstandings people have of conspiracy topics and underreported subjects, and how whacky theories undermine the ''conspiracy reality" that Assange refers to, and I'm sure other members will be happy to agree or disagree with you, but just not on a thread promoting your book as it is now getting pretty unrelated to your book if you ask me.