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From Coast to Coast radio show:

In the first half, researcher and explorer Timothy Alberino (who collaborates with Steve Quayle on the documentary series, True Legends) talked about such topics as giants, 'forbidden history,' mysteries under Antarctic ice, transhumanism, Atlantis, and super soldiers. Recently, he, Quayle, and Tom Horn visited the Four Corners region in the Southwest and met with some Elders of the Pueblo Nation. They revealed that their Medicine Men regularly get together to open 'stargates' (dimensional doorways) in which information and non-human beings can come through. According to the Elders, before 9-11, the Medicine Men received a message about a plane crashing into a building on Long Island.

The Elders were reticent to speak about giants, he reported, but they did confirm their past existence in the United States, and that they knew where some of their bones were buried. Alberino reviewed the 2005 case of the AC-130 pilot in Afghanistan who allegedly found a dead giant, standing 12 ft. tall, and weighing around 1,000 lbs, and said they had received new corroborating data (the pilot first described the incident in this 2008 C2C show). Alberino believes that the giants could be the descendants of the Watchers who came down to Earth and mated with human women, as well as with animals to create various monstrosities, though most of these creatures were wiped out in the Great Flood.

When Giants Were Upon the Earth: The Watchers, the Nephilim, and the Biblical Cosmic War of the Seed



Giant Skeletons: - found by French archaeologists now dismissed by anthropologists



The Ancient Giants Who Ruled America: The Missing Skeletons and the Great Smithsonian Cover-Up



There Were Giants Upon the Earth: Gods, Demigods & Human Ancestry: The Evidence of Alien DNA

The Osage Tribe in Arkansas / Oklahoma / Missourri were said by all to likely be the tallest tribe in North America.

How tall were they, Feliks?

Son, they were so tall that they had to go around bald --or else get mistook for Douglas firs

they were so tall, they had to wait for clouds to roll by so they could put their moccasins on

they were so tall, that their squaws had to learn how to yodel to call them to breakfast

seriously, they were said to rarely even get below 6'.

6' might be a 'short' Osage warrior. They were also considered handsome and tremendous fighters.

Only braves from the infamous Iroquois Empire could give them trouble, by the sound of it

6'0" pretty tall for that era. I read the average Viking, for example, was only 5'7", but that was tall for those times...

Well considering some people have Gigantism due to their pituitary gland releasing too much Human Growth Hormone, it is definitely possible. In some people it is just a foot or hand that grows abnormally large, others it is their whole skeleton.

Imagine a whole region filled with people generally around seven feet tall...yeah considering that people most everywhere were slightly shorter than we see even today, it must have been daunting

Bruce Lee was 5'7"

Feliks wrote: "Imagine a whole region filled with people generally around seven feet tall...yeah considering that people most everywhere were slightly shorter than we see even today, it must have been daunting"

When Big Bastards ruled the Earth!

If nothing else, this theory of ancient giants is funny.

So let's take it a click further...Let's say giants really existed...But in small numbers...So walk into some little town in pre-Biblical times and the average height of the townfolk is 5'1" and you are TWELVE FOOT TALL!!!

How do you find a partner with that sort of height difference?
And would there be height, or lack of height, discrimination? :)

I'm still undecided but there are a lot of reports about finding large skeletons. There are a bunch of examples here:
http://www.ancient-origins.net/unexpl...

Jim wrote: "I'm still undecided but there are a lot of reports about finding large skeletons. There are a bunch of examples here:
http://www.ancient-origins.net/unexpl...-..."

Intriguing article, Jim.
Like you, I'm 50/50 on the whole thing...
Haven't ever really studied it much myself.
But my gut instinct says: YES, 12-15 FOOT BEINGS ONCE ROAMED THE EARTH :)

There are a lot of myths/legends/folktales about giants all over the world. I hesitate to read too much into that because it could be something more metaphorical. Or, they could just be stories.

These stories tend to be from areas with megalithic constructions. Giant people built them and taught the locals agriculture, writing, etc.

I wish we had some unequivocal fossils, a full skeleton would be nice. For now, I can't really accept any of it at face value. Could there really be a conspiracy to hide the existence of giants that causes every discovery to be hidden? Why? And how could they be that thorough?

Lots of giant stories in history and literature. Biblical stories of giants Book of Enoch, David and Goliath, The titans, Jack and the beanstalk, The BFG , Gullivers Travels etc etc. So are we to assume these are the ravings of a lot of mad people with the same short circuit in their brain ?
There are images from ancient egypt that depict a seated large being with 2 smaller people in front of it, whether or not this is a metaphor for the pharaoh being greater than them who knows but it's certainly food for thought.

When the earth was new apparently there was a higher concentration of oxygen, which would have caused plant life to be larger, possibly that would also affect animal/people too? Just my thoughts.

For me--beyond a certain point--fascination dwindles for such a narrow by-way of ancient habits. It's like, (to my way of thinking) the stuff we already 'know for sure' is amazing enough to me. Just the normal, everyday facts of living and breathing, charm me.

And also, giants-in-the-dust stories are so 'human centric'. An angle that Vonnegut eloquently complained once: human vanity is tremendously disproportionate to our place in the universe.

Just sayin. I might be more interested in the vanishing of the European auroch; the Tasmanian Tiger; or the faint possibility that woolly mammoths were still in North America in the 1600s...

Well in terms of medical history (and they add 'for whom there is irrefutable evidence')

The world's tallest man ever was Robert Pershing Wadlow at 8'11'' measured in 1940. Tallest man still alive : Sultan Kosen 8' 2.8'' from Turkey.

Tallest woman ever was Zeng Jinlian at 8'1.75''. Tallest woman still alive Sun Fang at 7'3'' from China.

For most of these people they are lucky to make it past 50 (if they even get there). And how close do you think they are to 10-12 ft?

Genes, Giants, Monsters, and Men: The Surviving Elites of the Cosmic War and Their Hidden Agenda

the lost city of giants found in Ecuador

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-m...

Krishna wrote: "the lost city of giants found in Ecuador

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-m..."

Very interesting. Whether or not giants had anything to do with it, I find it incredible that a new lost city complete with a pyramid has been discovered (in this day and age); and found back in 2012, and I hadn't heard of it!

More articles on it here: http://earth4all.net/lost-ancient-cit...

Also, I see that article says that bones of giants had already previously been found. I must check up on that.

I've got some reading up to do!

interesting article! so since it has been 3 yrs, i hope more investigation of the site has been done

Giants in The Earth: Amazing Suppressed Archeological Evidence Proves They Once Existed

"Lost Giants of Georgia'' -- The Unexplained Files (Science Channel TV series - Season 2, Episode 8) https://www.goodreads.com/videos/1187...

I have carried out extensive follow-up research regarding the 'Lost City of Giants' (that name has to be said with tongue placed firmly in cheek). My new book 'The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution' is in truth the foundation upon which I will place my conclusions about the site in Ecuador. The second book in my 'Forgotten Exodus' series will offer a revised picture of the colonization of the Americas by Australoid populations around 70 - 60Kya - these are the builders of the structures in the jungles of Ecuador. This is a major spoiler I suppose, but hopefully, it does not put anybody off reading my book series.

Skeletons of 5,000-year-old Chinese ‘giants’ discovered by archaeologists http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/s...

Giants on Record: America's Hidden History, Secrets in the Mounds and the Smithsonian Files

LA Marzulli and Xaviant Haze also publish books on this giants subject.

Bruce wrote: "The second book in my 'Forgotten Exodus' series will offer a revised picture of the colonization of the Americas by Australoid populations around 70 - 60Kya - these are the builders of the structures in the jungles of Ecuador. This is a major spoiler I suppose, but hopefully, it does not put anybody off reading my book series. ..."

Sounds amazing, Bruce.
Where does New Zealand fit in with your out of Australia theories? (I'm a Kiwi, you see...)
The theory I got taught at school was that Maori people were from Asia and/or South America, settled the Pacific Islands, then eventually made it to NZ around 700AD and settled an uninhabited land they called Aeoteroa.
However, the Maoris did have tales of an earlier peoples already living their in NZ with red hair...

Hi, James,

I don't believe that New Zealand would have been always free of humans, with the growing acceptance of the early use of boats, going back hundreds of thousands of years (rafts at least) it is hard to imagine that people on Australia never crossed to New Zealand, even if just by accident at first. I have not put much time into this, beyond watching a documentary on the people there before the Maori, seemingly a group that arrived within the last 5000 years from the Middle East (I forget when exactly).

My bet is we have archaeology yet to find that will push dates back into the tens of thousands of years. I have a contact there with an extensive collection of stone artefacts, would you perhaps be interested in visiting him and finding out more, maybe filming his collection? I can put you in touch, he is always offering for people to come and learn about his finds and research, he is getting on a bit and that knowledge may get lost forever.

Anyway, on another note, I wonder how long ago your continent sunk? Millions of years ago or recently in a pole shift? I guess we will soon know https://www.geologyin.com/2017/09/zea...

"Descendants of Giants"...what the...

The Genesis 6 Conspiracy: How Secret Societies and the Descendants of Giants Plan to Enslave Humankind

Bruce wrote: "Hi, James,

I don't believe that New Zealand would have been always free of humans, with the growing acceptance of the early use of boats, going back hundreds of thousands of years (rafts at least)..."

Hi Bruce - I suspect we were free of humans for a long time down here in NZ as we are such a loooong way from anywhere... and unlike the Polynesians I don't think Australia's Aborigines were great seafarers so it's likely they never crossed the Ditch (the Tasman Sea) in ancient times to land in NZ. Certainly there's no artifacts to show they ever did.

I understand NZ was part of the supercontinent Gondwana which included Oz, and we broke away from Oz when the continent split up. Now Aussies want to reclaim us as part of Oz. The cheek of it!

James wrote: ""Descendants of Giants"...what the...

The Genesis 6 Conspiracy: How Secret Societies and the Descendants of Giants Plan to Enslave Humankind

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WTF?

Sometimes you just got move on. Does anybody really drink this Kool-Aid? People wonder why we get religious cults. Maybe we can hop a comet and be saved.

The book "details the role of modern-day Nephilim in Satan's plan to install the Antichrist at the End of Days."

If there is a God, he really should stop this stuff.

Agreed Dave.

But besides that book...
The Nephilim were said to be giants, right?
I mean, in terms of Bible's story?

Most likely a mistranslaten.

Nephilim, in the Hebrew Bible, a group of mysterious beings or people of unusually large size and strength who lived both before and after the Flood. The Nephilim are referenced in Genesis and Numbers and are possibly referred to in Ezekiel. The Hebrew word nefilim is sometimes directly translated as “giants” or taken to mean “the fallen ones” (from the Hebrew naphal, “to fall”), but the identity of the Nephilim is debated by scholars.

(From Britannica)

The more I study religion, the less I think it is not spiritual, but designed to control.

David wrote: "The more I study religion, the less I think it is not spiritual, but designed to control...."

Fair points Dave.

There are a few things to it. Briefly, it's a tool. In Genesis it says the Nephilim walked the Earth before God caused the flood, which was due to His disappointment with man's wickedness. The flood happened shortly after man began multiplying on the land.

The giants were just another people there. The sons of God took any daughter of man he wished for a wife, which also lead to the flood. Considering the Abrahamic covenant, this can be read as God and His word being exclusive to those He guided. Not everyone was given the same instruction by Him.

Another meaning for giant is just one who expresses anything outside of his head. They are trying to get rid of privacy. I am not a logical positivist and don't see a reason to do any idea just because it exists. Even if I or someone else "jokes" about drinking bleach, that doesn't mean I want to do so or should.

Giants are used as a tool for skepticism about one's imagination. Drawing a really cool picture might make someone more popular than drawing a bad one. The "fairies" and other dimensional, hypothetical beings are sometimes related to the Christ faith in that they are "invisible" or witnessed through other dimensions exclusively, so the giants are used to express disappointment in that. Through that interpretation everyone is a giant, no matter how big or tall. That's why drugs are illegal, since they increase one's imagination. That's also why culls against drug users or certain people occur.

There's an Ancient Aliens style rumor that a mythical race existed on this planet however, they were wiped out in a war. This is directly related to the "black man is the original man and once wielded the power" thing, but the whites got mad and took it. What we are seeing today is the original man attempting to take the power back. Like Graham Hancock, I seem to think that humans are a species with amnesia, which means that skepticism runs deep. No one cares about the dinosaurs or anything else like that.

The original atmosphere had more CO2 in it before algae evolved that could utilize photosynthesis, which released oxygen as a byproduct. The Carboniferous period created the first forests which removed most of the CO2 and caused an oxygen surplus. It also created seas and prevented dead organic matter from decomposing, which is what we've been using and burning as fossil fuel all this time.

More carbon, CO2, and/or oxygen in the atmosphere increases surface pressure, which is one reason why dragonflies were bigger then. But look how small they are now (their tracheal tube air/breathing system is mostly irrelevant here).

Re: giants, it is said they were dumb. We know about David and Goliath and the rest of it. Anyone can get mad and cause a war or a fight. It's said no one could get along. The giants are merely upset at their limited intellect and choose to rely on strength and fear instead. It is a somewhat simple puzzle to piece together.

Consider aerobic and anaerobic organisms, the anaerobic ones mostly dying off during the great oxidation event. I've written about this extensively elsewhere already. I'll write a book, then throw some information about it in there.