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Excerpt from The Orphan Conspiracies: 29 Conspiracy Theories from The Orphan Trilogy:


"The Trojan Horse Sterling had referred to reflected his belief that the truth about Jonestown had never been revealed to the American people. A belief shared by his fellow co-founders. They were certain that while there were undoubtedly suicides at Jonestown, the event could more accurately be described as a mass murder that resulted from an experiment of sorts carried out by various US agencies." –The Orphan Factory (The Orphan Trilogy, #2)


The Peoples Temple Agricultural Project was a predominantly American residential community in Guyana, South America. Branded a cult by the media, it was more commonly known as Jonestown in deference to its leader, Jim Jones, a former communist and drug addict, and son of a Ku Klux Klansman.

The community made world headlines on November 18, 1978, when it was announced 918 people at Jonestown, including 200 children, had died. All but two Peoples Temple members died from cyanide poisoning in what was labeled “revolutionary suicide” by Jim Jones himself.

Besides the suicides at Jonestown, several surviving Temple members murdered five others, including California Congressman Leo Ryan at the nearby Port Kaituma airstrip.

Jonestown remained the largest loss of American civilian life in a single non-natural disaster until the deaths that occurred in the US on 9/11 in 2001.

Everything covered so far in this chapter is the official version of what occurred at Jonestown. However, there have long been rumors of MK-Ultra experimentation with the commune before the tragic incident occurred, and CIA involvement before and after the incident. Crucial sources, including Jonestown survivors as well as local officials first on the scene, appear to radically contradict the mass suicide story.

If something other than the mass suicide the history books inform us happened in 1978 at Jonestown, then what did occur? A dark social experiment, wholesale murder, CIA assassinations, mind control implementation gone wrong, or what? These, and more, have been touted as fact by independent researchers over the years.

In The Orphan Factory, we explore these theories when Nine and another orphan-operative attempt an assassination, deep in Guyana’s Amazon rainforest, of a survivor of the Jonestown tragedy.

A good video that lists a lot of the anomalies in the official Jonestown story:
https://www.goodreads.com/videos/8121...

People are always looking for a leader...someone to make sense of their existence. Jones was a religious freak and just like in the scriptures, he scared the shit out of people and promised them paradise (Jonestown). Dear Jimmy Jones reminds me of a song by Robbie Williams called sin sin sin...just noticed that I can't play it here...it's not on youtube and every other site is blocked...one said: "People near you are not allowed to watch this video, but don't worry, there are lots of other videos to choose from!"...wtf is wrong with people? Anyways, I found it on vimeo and somehow they must have forgotten to block it.
https://vimeo.com/66938780
Conspiracies are overrated. I think one can find a connection with just about anything. Sometimes larger tragedies overshadow smaller ones and when people start connecting the dots in their conspiracy theories they find dots everywhere...like fucking blind spot you see everywhere after staring into a light too long. Perhaps it is potentially possible that some people could have taken advantage of the situation in Jamestown and used them as their little "observatory"...calling it mass suicide is also a load of shit...pouring rancid cool-aid for your children to drink is not suicide.
I better stop...too much alcohol and too late at night ;)

The term "Drinking the Kool-Aid" stems from Jonestown: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinkin...

"Drinking the Kool-Aid" is a figure of speech commonly used in North America that refers to a person or group holding an unquestioned belief, argument, or philosophy without critical examination. It could also refer to knowingly going along with a doomed or dangerous idea because of peer pressure. The phrase oftentimes carries a negative connotation when applied to an individual or group. It can also be used ironically or humorously to refer to accepting an idea or changing a preference due to popularity, peer pressure, or persuasion.

The phrase derives from the November 1978 Jonestown deaths,[1][2][3] in which over 900 members of the Peoples Temple, who were followers of Jim Jones died, many of whom committed suicide by drinking a mixture of a powdered soft drink flavoring agent laced with cyanide (with the remainder, including 89 infants and elderly, killed by forced ingestion of the poison).[4][5] Although the powder used in the incident included Flavor Aid, it was commonly referred to as Kool-Aid due to the latter's status as a genericized trademark.

Neil Sanders does a pretty good job at listing all the anomalies in the official story, as well as all the CIA involvement in the cult before the deaths, in this video here: https://www.goodreads.com/videos/9605...

interesting video. I never really thought of cults and cult mass suicides anything more than just that.

in the video, he makes one pretty serious claims...he presents an interesting hypothesis, but u couldn't see enough substance in the video to conclude whether to reject or accept his hypothesis. ..

are there substantial evidence out there pointing towards mk ultra?

Jonestown is the subject of a current group poll which asks members: Do you believe the deaths at Jonestown were the result of suicides as per the official story or mass murder?

Vote and have you say in the comments section here:
https://www.goodreads.com/poll/show/1...

The above group poll is now complete.

In answer to the poll: Do you believe the deaths at Jonestown were the result of suicides as per the official story or mass murder?

Here is the verdict:

61.9% of members voted MASS MURDER
22.2% voted UNSURE
15.9% voted SUICIDES

Check out the comments that occurred during the voting period here:
https://www.goodreads.com/poll/show/1...

Unsure. Reckless endangerment?

Jeff wrote: "Unsure. Reckless endangerment?"

Jeff, I noticed on your GR author profile page it states you are a former "leader in the Populist Party and a member of the National Alliance".

Um...say what?
The National Alliance as in the brain dead, anti-Semitic, white supremacist "political organization" (aka Neo-Nazi losers)?

Say it ain't so!

If I'm wrong in my assumption and there is some other non-racist National Alliance group, then I will happily apologize and delete/retract this entire post.

However, if I'm right, and you do or did belong to this highly-intellectual, loving, peace-orientated community who believe such well-thought out concepts as the "Joooz control the world" and allow "Any White person (a non-Jewish person of wholly European ancestry) of good character" to join their ranks, then have you now transcended these silly ideas? If not, then I think you have joined the wrong group and have mistaken the term anti-Nazi for Neo-Nazi...

Stories from Jonestown

THE UNANSWERABLE QUESTIONS OF JONESTOWN https://psmag.com/news/the-unanswerab...

"Nearly 37 years after the mass suicide in Guyana, South America, researchers are using thousands of government documents to try to paint a clearer picture of what happened."

I joined this group...only because I'm very depressed...and can't even read further my book. Why is this so damn unfair...

Bojan wrote: "I joined this group...only because I'm very depressed...and can't even read further my book. Why is this so damn unfair..."

I hope this group helps you Bojan.

nobody can.it's that simple. Like it Chester said: "I just want to not feel anything anymore, be nothing, not sitting here, not thinking," -

but you can stop all this torture.... as he did. Like so many musicians...I'm one too. Isn't it ironic?


off.

Bojan wrote: "nobody can.it's that simple. Like it Chester said: "I just want to not feel anything anymore, be nothing, not sitting here, not thinking," -

but you can stop all this torture.... as he did. Like ..."

Who is torturing who?

Hi everyone my name is Stephanie and I actually am native to Guyana. My ancestors are Arawaks. My parents lived through this experience that shamed Guyana’s reputation. Usually when individuals ask about my ethnicity or heritage and I relay that I’m from Guyana, not many people know of the small country. But then I say have you ever heard of Jim Jones? That usually brings the history forward. As a child my parents would tell me the harrowing story and growing up I did my own research and watched many documentaries of the few survivors that made it of Jonestown and some testimonies were unbelievable. When I visit home I’ve asked several times to see the tree overgrown Jonestown to witness what is left. All I know of is that there is a sign that locals refuse to touch because it’s taboo. However my family and local natives will not bring it up for discussion. I was told never to visit that part of Guyana.
Guyana the only country in South America that is part of the Caribbean community is trying to rebrand itself. My last visit I remember the touristy part of the capital Georgetown, where I from is now filled with tall hotels and resorts along the beach. The new generation is leaving traditions of Guyana and becoming more modern. Sadly to say I was disappointed in my last visit to what I used to call home.

nice info from a local, Stephanie