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Excerpt from The Orphan Conspiracies: 29 Conspiracy Theories from The Orphan Trilogy:


Some commentators say the world’s six biggest media empires, between them, largely control what news we see, hear or read in the Western world. Others say the 10 biggest media empires control our news. Either way, the ramifications are frightening, wouldn’t you agree?

The respected news and entertainment site Elite Daily, which calls itself “The voice of Generation-Y”, makes the following claim: “With media oversight being taken for granted in recent years, media concentration has been a trend that’s been rolling along with few signs of stopping. As a result, many of your favorite media entities have been consolidated and all work under the same umbrella corporation. If you think, for example, one channel offers better content than the other, you might be surprised to learn that you’ve stuck with the same company and are just now loyal to another one of its assets.”

Elite Daily has identified the following as the world’s 10 largest media conglomerates: Bertelsmann SE & Co. KGaA, Gannett Company Inc., CBS Corporation, British Sky Broadcasting Group Plc., Liberty Media, News Corporation, Viacom, Time Warner Inc., The Walt Disney Disney Company and Comcast Corporation.

In the early 1980’s, some 50 companies owned 90% of American media. Now, 90% of US media is owned by just six corporations: Disney, Viacom, GE, CBS, Time Warner and Rupert Murdoch’s NewsCorp.

Each of these conglomerates has fingers in many pies. Take Time Warner for example. It has major stakes in film and TV companies like New Line Cinema, CNN, TNT, Warner Bros. Pictures, HBO, Cinemax, Cartoon Network and Castle Rock plus magazines like People, Time, Sports Illustrated, Fortune and Marie Claire.

The problem with such media monopolies, especially when they are heavily entangled with politics as Murdoch’s outlets are, is that censorship or even disseminating misinformation becomes a very real possibility.

If you believe the TV networks, newspapers and other media outlets owned by such conglomerates are regularly delivering balanced, unbiased news, you’re dreaming. Each has its own agenda and recent history has shown those agendas aren’t always honorable. Regrettably, and all too often, journalistic ethics come a distant second to corporate profits.

You only need to consider the events surrounding Rupert Murdoch’s News of the World phone-hacking scandal to be reminded that media conglomerates and their owners don’t always act honorably or have the public’s best interests at heart.

For anyone who has been living under a rock since that controversy broke, Murdoch employees working in some of his British newspapers hacked the phones of leading politicians, businessmen and celebrities, resulting in a public outcry against News Corporation and Murdoch.

Um...Where are we going with all these Jewish comments, Billy?

I think also though, Billy, people posting online need to follow through with their statements and not peter out. Otherwise it's hard to decipher things.
To single out something as specific as a person's race or religion, as you did above with Murdoch in the para that ends "a Jew", strikes me as extremely random.
So, again, I invite you to clarify where you were going with those comments and what makes you feel Murdoch's Jewish ancestory is at all related to the fact that Western media has been consolidated to just a few key groups or families.

And to be clear, I am Caucasian not Jewish, so I'm not trying to set a trap here - just curious as to what your motivations were in making that statement and what beliefs you hold.

Billy, thank you for clarifying and for now displaying the conviction to state what you really believe - which is exactly what I suspected you believed, by the way, but I'm glad you have stated it in black and white for all to see.

Unfortunately, however, you're making the mistake of believing in tired old stereotypes and you're also mixing apples with oranges in your arguments (e.g. lumping in the worldwide Jewish population with the nation of Israel is apples and oranges).

These are very common mistakes for those who read either a little conspiracy-style literature (in which anti-Semitism, albeit often subtle, abounds) or else far-Right pro White (aka Neo Nazi/fascist) literature and fail to do independent research. From what I've observed, this is a bigger problem than those who only listen to mainstream media and fail to do independent research beyond that. Both are very limited perspectives.

Most anti-Semitism, (which as you may know is thousands of years old and pre-Biblical in fact) is a reaction to the fact that wherever this tiny minority go they rise to the very top of almost every industry they try their hand at. And no, it's not just banking or media - that's just the tip of the iceberg. If you really study in an independent, non-biased fashion what the Jewish people have achieved throughout history, you will soon realize this tiny ethnic minority has excelled and been at the forefront (or some would say dominated) the sciences, the arts, politics, medicine, literature, psychology, technological inventions, film and social activism - and virtually everything inbetween all those disparate fields! Even more incredible when you consider they were often hated wherever they lived and many times nobody wanted to hire them...

Now when you think about that, these absolutely brilliant, highly-adaptable group of people are bound to lead to massive jealousy wherever they go in the world. This is human nature. The same way office workers have to invent reasons why their colleagues get promoted (e.g. "she slept with the boss") is all you really need to understand about this whole issue. Understand it on the micro and then enlarge it to the macro.

So a better analogy than your Irish dominating UK media, would be to imagine for a moment my nationality New Zealanders (of which there are only 4 million of us!) being at the very top of numerous industries all over the world. And within this analogy, imagine that there is no conspiracy where New Zealanders are "taking over" industries with sly tactics, but instead are somehow so brilliant and intelligent and have an indefinable X-Factor that just allows them to succeed wherever they go.

If New Zealanders were dominating so many fields, and had been throughout recorded history, do you think people would be mature and perceptive enough to just say "Wow, those New Zealanders are incredible and I really need to learn from them in order to succeed as they sure have something special going on"?
Of course they wouldn't! Just as office environments and other workplaces show, people instinctively resent others succeeding and most simply cannot believe that they got their promotion due to honest efforts.

You mention how Jewish people are very good at networking and imply that that's how they've craftily generated success. This is of course conveniently overlooking the fact all immigrant groups network and help each other in whichever country they migrate to. Likewise, white people do this in countries that they move to. So this idea that Jewish people networked so well that it explains all their phenomenal success and achievements throughout the centuries doesn't remotely stack up.

Now when it comes to Israel, that's where you're mixing apples with oranges. Would it be fair to criticize 300M+ Americans due to the recent negative activities of the US administrations? Disliking Jewish people because of Israel is exactly akin to that mindset.

Now that doesn't mean I personally like all of Israel's actions in recent times - I'm quite critical of many of their recent policies. But I'd never confuse the worldwide Jewish population with Israel or any other government or nation for that matter. That entire argument is another oldie but remains, as ever, completely glib.

When you say you cannot criticize Israel in the media, that is disproven by the amount of times the whole subject has recently been brought up in mainstream media. Every US administration gets a lot of criticism (by Americans and American political commentators) for what is perceived to be overly close ties with Israel. Study media transcripts right back to Carter, Nixon and Ford administrations and you will see Israeli-US ties have always been a major talking point in American media.
Now again, does this mean it's a totally clean issue - no. I have noticed sometimes being anti-Israel and anti-Jewish are sometimes confused and that is a problem. But to create a whole Jewish conspiracy and say/imply they have total control of the media and are blocking free expression in America is refuted over and over again by the amount of times all these subjects are brought up in mainstream media.

Basically all your arguments are just modern versions of the "same old, same old" as far as criticisms/fears of Jewish people are concerned.

The final point I'd make is that in the 1920s and 1930s there was a very popular belief throughout much of Europe that the Illuminati was made up of primarily Jewish conspirators. (This is ironic considering so much anti-Semitic propaganda now comes from those promoting Illuminati conspiracy theories). But anyway, the point is that many historians now believe this illogical and fleeting belief that the Illuminati were all Jewish created very fertile ground for Hitler and the Nazi Party to sweep into power.
If that isn't historical proof of how dangerous taking on unproven beliefs really can be, then I don't know what is!

p.s. I'd recommend talking to some Jewish people and actually get to know them as human beings instead of labels.

I totally agree James.

James wrote: "Billy, thank you for clarifying and for now displaying the conviction to state what you really believe - which is exactly what I suspected you believed, by the way, but I'm glad you have stated it ..."

James, what a brilliantly written piece that is. I'm completely on your page with this issue.

Billy wrote: "Oh, absolutely, I agree that the persons who control over 90% of the news and entertainment media are brilliant, without question. Anyone would be foolish to not admire and respect their accomplish..."

Billy, I sense you are tip-toeing around in circles again with your softly-softly approach. That's why I previously invited you to boldly state what you really feel without any concern - otherwise it's very hard to engage in a proper discussion about these important issues. Remember, this is a group inspired by the principles of freedom such as free expression and all the other rights the Founding Fathers included in the Constitution. You may have noticed, for example, that this is one of the only groups on Goodreads which has no rules and you can post whatever you like, just as anyone else can.

So for the time being I'm still left having to read inbetween the lines here a bit with your latest post. But I think I have at least understood the gist of what you're saying/implying, although please do correct me if I am wrong in any of my assessments.

The way I read it you're basically admiring Jewish people the same way others admire things about their mortal enemies. You keep describing Jewish people as "they" even though many include American-born Jews presumably. You are dividing humanity into groups - WE (Caucasians, I assume) and THEY (all non-Whites but no doubt Jews and Blacks are at the top of the pile of those you deem to be wrecking "traditional American values").

To me, your arguments have about as much meaning as someone who provides facts or statistics about red haired people or twins or single parents. That's about how relevant different races are in the grand scheme of things. You obviously notice the differences between the various races, whereas I notice how remarkably SIMILAR we all are around the world. Personally, it never ceases to amaze me how on a planet so large, in which many groups evolved separately, we actually have very few differences at the end of the day. Surface differences, yes, but those are soon overcome in our modern, multicultral world. In fact, most children now are completely "color-blind" on this whole issue - they grow up with friends of various races and their first experiences with the opposite sex are often interracial ones.

The reason I'm curious to learn why you believe what you believe is numerous studies have shown most who share your beliefs are usually poorly educated individuals. That is clearly not the case with yourself as evidenced by your well-written essays, knowledge of history and your large vocabulary. I've also noted you are a former high school teacher.

Lastly, the main reason I suspect you are not sharing with the group's members your full opinions is I've just googled you out of curiosity. And to my surprise I came across this article about you in Newsweek headedlined 'A Racist On The Rise' http://www.newsweek.com/racist-rise-1... which mentions you've been the leader of various pro White aka Neo Nazi groups in American. But more importantly, it quotes you as posting the following statement on a Neo Nazi website the day after the 9/11 attacks: "Anyone who is willing to drive a plane into a building to kill Jews is alright by me... The enemy of our enemy is, for now at least, our friend."

Now, again, if I or indeed Newsweek are misunderstanding your message or you have been misquoted then please advise. If you can prove you've been misquoted or there's been some conspiracy by mainstream media outlets to tarnish your reputation, then I will retract/edit this post to save you further embarrassment/humiliation.

Failing that however, then as far as I can tell, your racist beliefs and the hate propaganda you're spreading is currently undermining the academic education you received and the obvious natural intelligence you have. In fact, it's making you come across as some redneck hillbilly from the 1920s or even some 19th century Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard.

I hope you can overcome this current limiting belief structure in future, Billy...
If you are open to change, and admitting your stance and worldview may be wrong, I would recommend watching the film American History X starring Edward Norton. Possibly you've already seen it, but if you carefully watch it again this film shows how racist beliefs can sometimes enter peoples' minds rather innocently in their youth (usually downloaded into children from parents) before eventually infecting their entire minds to the point that the beliefs become a deadly poison.

Also, I'd highly recommend this documentary in which Mo Asumang, a female journalist in Europe who has an African mother and a white German Nazi SS father, confronts various pro White Neo Nazi groups and interviews them in a non-judgemental way to find out why they believe what they believe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiTXnK...

James

James wrote: "Billy wrote: "Oh, absolutely, I agree that the persons who control over 90% of the news and entertainment media are brilliant, without question. Anyone would be foolish to not admire and respect th..."

I planned to respond to Billy in similar vein James...but you've said it all. The reference to him in the Newsweek article headedlined 'A Racist On The Rise' http://www.newsweek.com/racist-rise-1... makes for disturbing reading.

As intelligently and knowledgably as you write, Billy- I have to disagree strongly with much of what you say.
Although I do agree that social media is -not so much clamping down political incorrectness as you say, but- clamping down on hate and bigotry- regardless of what one calls it, I believe in free speech for all. It's actually good to hear what a Neo Nazi thinks.

But then, there's so much you overlook as well, which is where the arguments fall down.

You say:
"ONLY White countries and areas have this “racism” problem that needs to be solved with “diversity”. By “racism” problem, it is meant “White” problem."

Er, no. 'Racism problem does not mean white problem.'

Yep, some countries have more of the same racial type such as in Africa, and some have multiculturalism like here in the U.K, or in the U.S., whilst others like Norway for instance, are still predominantly white.
Last time I looked, white people were doing pretty well at ruling the planet- so why would you feel the white race is threatened, and if Darwin's natural selection THEORY is correct, then nature will simply take its course. And what can one do about it anyway? I don't see why you're so hung up on it.

And I'll hardly even touch upon the fact that American Caucasians are all from European backgrounds, just like the English are Nordic or Roman or Anglo Saxon or...

The world has always been full of peoples trying to pick a fight with people different to themselves. It's time to stop. We get side tracked by issues like immigration, because they're put forward in the media and politics, to stop us debating more important issues like solving world debt, hunger and nuclear disarmament, for instance.

Forget the differences, or embrace them- ultimately we are all pretty much the same the world over. There's one race. The human race. We should all be co-operating. To be honest, I find it hard to believe that people are still hung up on racial issues at the start of the twenty first century. If racism and bigotry didn't cause the amount of damage it does, the idea of it would almost sound simply silly.

Billy, your explanation of why you joined Goodreads is fair. And to clarify, my intention is not to get personal with you or to imply that just because I co-founded this group I hold the moral high ground here. I just view myself as another Goodreads member and no different to you or anyone else. And like you, I despise political correctness and censorship. I believe the cornerstone of our Western democracies has always been healthy debates and allowing everyone to have their say, even if it's an unpopular viewpoint.

You brought up racial issues in a thread about media corruption and spun the debate entirely in that direction, so I am merely responding to that. Wouldn't matter if you or someone else had brought that up I still would've responded exactly the same.

Furthermore, just because I strongly believe I have a superior understanding, and an unbiased perspective, of the various races that comprise the human race, does not mean I feel superior to you in the whole. I have met many people who hold your racial ideologies - especially in America and Europe - and while I completely disagree with them does not mean I overlook the fact that these same people can paradoxically also be loving to their own families and their communities and be good, law-abiding citizens in the main.

So please believe me when I say none of this is personal - it's about our modern society and that's it. Obviously greater society is much more important than you or I as individuals. And you being an author, as well as the leader of various Neo Nazi groups in the US, are a public figure who has a following. Likewise, with myself being a filmmaker and author, I must stand by my works and be ready to explain the messages in them to anyone at any time. Once you have an audience of any size, you have a responsibility and should be held accountable.

If, for example, I release a film tomorrow that promotes and encourages hate crimes against innocent people, then I could and should be criticized for the negaitve impact or inspired crimes that could occur in society as a result of my film.

The majority of instances of extreme racism, such as yours, are usually very complex situations (often mirroring either child abuse or cultish brainwashing) that to be understood require at least some knowledge of the way the brain works. It's basically about neural pathways and the way beliefs form in the brain at a very young age. As I alluded to in my previous post, what parents teachers and other adults put inside a child's impressionable brain, often stays there for a lifetime. Now, you, being a descendant of Ku Klux Klan members with your father and grandfather both being senior KKK members (again, correct me if the media incorrectly reported this), have obviously inherited all these twisted racial ideas from birth. These racial beliefs are not your own, they are not facts, you have not proven them in an independent fashion to yourself (you only think you have), you are simply perpetuating the cycle of KKK generations or the sins of the father if you will.

You mention you have never hurt anybody. Billy, you've gotta get real here, buddy. You need to look in the mirror and ask yourself if that's really true. There are many ways to hurt others - it can be direct or indirect. Just as per my aforementioned example of a filmmaker making movies that promote and encourage crimes against specific groups of people in a very clear fashion, you are broadcasting into impressionable young people's minds hate, violence and destruction against non-White peoples...
You said you've watched American History X, so you'll recall how the Neo Nazi leader (played by Stacey Keach) never committed any crimes. Yet he was the one inspiring and encouraging all the boys and young men to commit acts of violence and terror against other races.

You also seem to be conveniently deceiving yourself about your past. You say the hateful and extremely anti-Semitic 9/11 quote was a misquote and said in a private fashion and yet you mention you also regret it which is strange (as why regret something something you never said and was taken out of context???)...And in the next breath you proudly state you share the same racial beliefs as Jefferson's and Lincoln's (which by the way is about as valid as saying you have the same technological understaning as those men - people evolve over generations and the Founding Fathers were imperfect in some ways especially on the issue of race).

And how about this quote you made here:

"I’m not a white separatist...I’m a non-white extinctionist!" -Billy Roper, a leader of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.

If that's not hateful and destructive, then what is?
Or do you once again deny saying that quote or believe it was taken out of context yet again?
If so, then how do you explain the following video where you mention "little white girls being raped by N******" and how in future "all non-Whites will be f'ing dead!" and that you'd "disown your own daughter if she'd have mixed-race offspring": http://www.frequency.com/video/showdo...

Going back to the masterpiece that is American History X, you need to watch it again I feel as you're not getting the film's core message. The crucial scene is where the black school teacher asks Edward Norton's character "Has anything you've done made your life better?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYke7o...

That's the director's primary message in a nutshell. Did all of Edward Norton's fixation on the (perceived) problems immigrants or minority people's serve him or hinder him...And that's when Norton breaks down as he realizes he's been consumed by beliefs that are anti-life and anti his fellow man.

I would end by saying you call yourself a proud American and a proud Christian and yet it'd be hard to come up with a more anti-American and anti-Christian worldview than yours...

Damn, you write so much more eloquently than me James! Well said. Good on ya.

Just to clarify my basic statement: "We're all one race. The human race." It is meant in an idealist attitude way, where we should be more interested in our similarities and wanting to help one another, rather than viewing ourselves as defined by such things as race, class, faith, and all the rest.

And to say American white people will be a minority in a generation is just absurd.

There will always be a minority in a world where everything's measured that way.

Billy,

Thanks for responding, and I don't want to get too heavily into the race debate, as it's one of those topics that are being looked at from such polar opposite views that we'd just go round in circles. And I think James has nicely summed up my attitude in his posts.

Yep, I actually find it interesting that 90% of media bosses are Jewish, and there could be many reasons for this; many were stated above by James. There are so many threads to conspiracy theories, that you could just as easily argue that those in power all have secret societies in common, like Freemasonry, the Bildeberg Group, Bohemian Grove and so on, which I find much more interesting. The point is, I personally believe that 33rd degree Masons have a huge amount of power, but I don't then judge every Freemason.

And if you're seriously concerned that the white race (which is kind of like calling them all dogs, when the white race is actually made up of many 'breeds') is becoming a minority race, then I suggest you go about it by raising awareness and getting a charity status. Basically, if you feel whatever your own mishmash of white race is is under threat, then ask people to help you.

Hate and generalisations don't help anything. I will always be an idealist and proud. 'Cos I'm more concerned with the world we could make than the one that we have.

I don't think I've really got much more to say on the matter.

Harry.

Ah... the old Superman thing...

I appreciate the reply, and sentiments of getting this thread back on track. But can I leave you with one thought? If all you believe is true, then Nature/God seems to have taken care of the matter pretty well for 50,000 years, so why would you want to try and interfere in that? But the big flaw in your redundant Superman/Overman argument is that if you could actually put it to a vote and ask the world, I'm betting the vast majority would not believe in such genocidal opinions- and actually people like being who they are. (You only have to look at the world's opinion on Hitler to get the answer.)

Please don't think I'm trying to have the last word- though maybe I am- and of course you can if you wish! But, yeah, I'm boring myself now!

Harry wrote: "Ah... the old Superman thing...

I appreciate the reply, and sentiments of getting this thread back on track. But can I leave you with one thought? If all you believe is true, then Nature/God seems..."

Well said Harry. Let's hope you have had the last word on this off-the-track racial debate. Getting back to my original statement...

"Some commentators say the world’s six biggest media empires, between them, largely control what news we see, hear or read in the Western world. Others say the 10 biggest media empires control our news. Either way, the ramifications are frightening, wouldn’t you agree?"

As a former news journo who is observing with some alarm media trends Down Under, I think the ramifications are frightening. TV news in particular is at best infotainment and rapidly moving toward pure entertainment.

Media Censorship



Silenced: International Journalists Expose Media Censorship

I wonder who Mr Billy Roper will be voting for on Tuesday? :)

Media Consolidation and its Effects https://storify.com/vmarinez/media-co...
Media has had a huge impact in today's world. It is almost impossible not to consume any media within a day. There are 6 major corporations have recognized that, and are in the race to take over the media world. However, is big media for better or worse?

Here’s who owns everything in Big Media today
It probably won’t look like this for long.

https://www.vox.com/2018/1/23/1690584...

Now things are up for grabs: Netflix buys stuff from the studios, but it’s making its own stuff, too, and it’s selling it directly to consumers. That’s one of the reasons older media companies are trying to compete by consolidating. Disney, for example, recently completed its purchase of 21st Century Fox. Distributors like AT&T, which bought Time Warner last year, are becoming media companies, too.