Underground Knowledge — A discussion group discussion

Excerpt from The Orphan Conspiracies: 29 Conspiracy Theories from The Orphan Trilogy:

Eugenics, or the science of improving a population by controlled breeding to increase the occurrence of desirable heritable characteristics, has been around since the mid-1800’s.

Social engineering some call it.

Genocide. Sterilization of the mentally ill, blacks, homosexuals and other "undesirables". Euthenasia. Forced pregnancies and birth control. Racial segregation. Compulsory abortions. Genetic screening. These are examples of eugenics practices and policies adopted to varying degrees by various countries until commonsense prevailed and most countries banned such practices.

Although we don’t specifically tackle eugenics or racial issues in our thriller series The Orphan Trilogy, we use these early eugenics experiments as inspiration for the cold and ruthless way our fictional orphans are genetically engineered. Products of the Genius Sperm Bank, a real-world eugenics experiment, the orphans all have the genes of carefully selected white male donors.


"Supervising the eerie experiment was Omega’s own Doctor Frankenstein – better known as Doctor Pedemont, the brilliant biomedical scientist responsible for the radical science behind it. Over the past few years, with the help of his team of geneticists, Doctor Pedemont had painstakingly selected the fetus’ genes from thousands of sperm donations combined with the genes of his female subjects. The donations had come from another medical experiment referred to as the Genius Sperm Bank." –The Orphan Factory


In all three books in the trilogy, we also mention eugenics and cover very similar issues. Numerous book critics have referenced this wretched history of eugenics in their reviews for our series.

What’s scary is that some independent researchers believe eugenics is not just a thing of the past.


"The motivation behind the Genius Sperm Bank, which had been initiated over a decade earlier, was to advance the breeding of super-intelligent people. The bank was stocked full of semen donations solicited from many of the world’s most intelligent men." –The Orphan Factory


A short history of eugenics:

Early eugenicists blamed genetics on polluting Mankind’s gene pool. They cited everything from alcoholism and prostitution to homosexuality and feeble-mindedness as examples of defective genes, and favored elimination ahead of treatment.

Eugenics’ original proponents were active throughout much of Europe, but it was in the US that eugenics really struck a chord – before the rise of Nazi Germany that is.

In the early days, the American eugenics movement received the financial backing of the likes of the Rockefeller Foundation and the Carnegie Institution as well as many high profile individuals such as Winston Churchill, H.G. Wells and Theodore Roosevelt. Eugenics was taught at many learning institutions and by the early 1900’s eugenic policies were introduced into legislation.

The Carnegie name crops up an awful lot in the shameful history of eugenics. As Edwin Black states in his book War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a Master Race, in 1904, the Carnegie Institution established a laboratory complex on Long Island that stockpiled millions of index cards on ordinary Americans as researchers carefully plotted the removal of families, bloodlines and whole peoples.

And in 1911, a Carnegie-sponsored study explored solutions to ridding the population of people with defective genes. While euthanasia was shelved as one possible solution, marriage restrictions, racial segregation and forced abortions were deemed most acceptable.

Incidentally, euthanasia was only temporarily shelved as a possible solution. Proponents considered the timing wasn’t yet right to suggest so drastic a measure.“Fitter Families Contest” run by the American Eugenics Society in the 1920’s.

Interesting thing about people's take on eugenics (and I my opinion may change once I'm sober) is that they seem to go by phenotypical bias...whether it be race, sexual orientation, addictions, and etc.
What it should come down to is their genetic makeup, and not as a whole, but individuals should be chosen because they have something extraordinary within their DNA that's worth extracting and regenerated. Imagine all the amazing strands of beautifully coded DNA we are throwing away by going by looks or behavior alone...add this to transhumanism! this book sounds interesting. I'll have to pick it up.

Here are some key discussion threads in this eugenics section of the group:

Compulsory sterilizations https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

Final Solution https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

Links between American and Nazi eugenics https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

Eugenics conspiracies https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

Hurricane Katrina and African-American communities https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

North Korean eugenics https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

Are eugenics principles still adhered to by world leaders? https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

A eugenics renaissance in the future? https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

The overpopulation myth (part 1) https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

The overpopulation myth (part 2) https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

more study! >_< you might not see me for awhile... *slinks over to corner*

"Sterilization of the mentally ill, blacks, homosexuals and other "undesirables..."

Ummm...I don't want to be obtuse or anything but I'm not quite sure of the point of sterilising homosexuals. :-)

War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a Master Race



Preaching Eugenics: Religious Leaders and the American Eugenics Movement

I'm not so much concerned by crazy hare-brained schemes like eugenics (some superhero will always swoop in and prevent that, right?) because it doesn't directly touch life in New York City where I reside. I'm more concerned by the prevalent American mystification as to what 'race' even is. Or rather, what it isn't. There's just not enough science-based information out there.

In one regard, there's an ignorance as to the falsehood of the historical concept of 'race'. It was always false to begin with, as any behavioral scientist can tell you. It's a hobgoblin catch-all term mistakenly dropped in to parlance when people really want to delineate classes, or income levels, or geographies. And that's being kind. The term is constantly misapplied and mis-used in a myriad of ways.

In another regard, there's failure to grasp 'different identity' vs 'treating people differently because of their identity'. One is positive and one is negative. 'Differences' are what make us strong and vital; recognizing culture and tradition; embracing different human capacities and our diverse origins is to the good of us all. The unfairness creeps in when "specialized rules" are devised for an entire group of people at once, based on their superficial group traits.

There's another wide sphere of "making things into -isms". Everything these days is treated as an '-ism', an 'ill', or a 'disease' which needs eradication. Its a bogus, 'witch-hunting' and 'finger-pointing' mindset. People are so eager to accuse their neighbors of insularity and incorrectness, that they do not detect their own reactionary xenophobia towards those they wish-to-indict as... reactionary xenophobes.

Finally, there's a lack of awareness of how our brain functions play a part in determining 'how we feel about others'. Things like 'empathy groups' stem from our hereditary hard-wiring and it's not going away, (no matter how much this embarrasses us)
https://tinyurl.com/z8jbrg4
https://tinyurl.com/kcstu56

Medical Apartheid: The Dark History of Medical Experimentation on Black Americans from Colonial Times to the Present

Margaret Sanger-Hillary Clinton's hero-was a eugenicist. She wanted to eradicate black people and people with disabilities...that is the history of Planned Parenthood unfortunately. Never let the media dictate to you what isn't factual.

Nick wrote: "Margaret Sanger-Hillary Clinton's hero-was a eugenicist. She wanted to eradicate black people and people with disabilities...that is the history of Planned Parenthood unfortunately. Never let the m..."

Need to research Margaret Sanger more - but nothing would surprise me.

However, I think within the US (if reading mostly US media whether mainstream and/or alternative) it can be very hard to get past sensationalism on this issue or anything involving birth and babies. Reason for that, in my opinion, is the high amount of religious fundamentalists in America. For example, I cannot tell you how many supposedly true eugenics reports I've come across that are actually nothing to do with eugenics and everything to do with Christian extremists who have an ax to grind against Planned Parenthood.

https://www.liveaction.org/news/plann...

I think planned parenthood deserves the derision it receives. I myself am neither a fundamental Christian or an ardent catholic(as I've mentioned before in other threads, I identify with Gnosticism/Buddhism/Sanatana Dharma much closer), but facts are facts. More than 19 million African-American babies have been aborted since 1973...if you look at what was said by Sanger, many would say it's the founding principles or the main goal of the organization.

PP also claims that it offers other medical treatment like mammograms, but this has also been debunked...don't believe me? Call an office or look up on YouTube when others have called multiple offices.

Last note-the fact that PP is taxpayer funded is an outrage. If you want to have an abortion, that's your business as stated by the pro-choice movement and if that's so then I should take no part in your business by either disagreeing with your decision or paying for it

Another note:

Most traditional buddhists, Hindus, sikhs and Jews, as well as some muslims, disagree with abortion...also, the fundamentalist Christians you see on TV are not as widespread as you would think. I believe there needs to be a real discussion on the topic, but all sides freak out when it's brought up-left, right, religious and non-religious...the media in US has made it into some sacred cow(no pun intended) and anyone that disagrees with abortion other than to save the mother or in the case or rape/incest is labeled uneducated, bigoted, misogynist , radical, fundamentalist, etc. the fact remains that abortion could likely be cut down if there was more education on sex and the possible results. There is always choice, but my issue in this country is that people make decisions without regard to consequences more often than not-I know it's not popular, but if you are going to have sex then protect yourself(not just for pregnancy but from disease) and don't use abortion as birth control.

The issue in my opinion is that the media is an apparatchik of the Democratic Party and tows the line on all talking points distributed by them. Issues like abortion are always talked about in an "us vs them" format, which is wrong because it's so much more complicated than that.

The Lindbergh baby was rumoured to have been kidnapped by his parents because he was born with a club foot.They were eugenicists, and as the child began to walk, his disability became evident. Three Generations No Imbeciles
by Paul A. Lombardo

Getting back on track to the subject of eugenics, which I'm personally fascinated with...

America’s Hidden History: The Eugenics Movement https://www.nature.com/scitable/forum...

History of eugenics - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...

The Forgotten Lessons of the American Eugenics Movement http://www.newyorker.com/books/page-t...

I didn't think we went off track, with all respect. If an organization's founder claims that certain people needed to be sterilized and aborted ; also, still today that org kills more black children than aids, cancer and violent crime combined...to me this smacks of actual Eugenics, not academic theory. However, I recognize that it's an unpopular opinion because it doesn't comport with the media's role in the narrative being fed them by their government overlords. Sorry for hijacking the thread.

People Think Eugenics Died With The Nazis… It Didn’t https://www.unilad.co.uk/featured/peo...

I have been reading pretty much all the discussion on this group about eugenics and I was wondering in the end what do you people think of it ?

And for me I had not know yet about this “modern” eugénisme that is talked about on this group (nazi,usa,…) I had only read a few documents on the eugénisme in the spartiates “tradition” and I have to admit I see nothing wrong in wanting better offspring’s and as Nietzsche sed “you should not reproduce yourself only in length (son, grandson,…) but also in hight (qualities, stronger, smarter, taller,… every thing you can think about).

So I’m genuinely curious about your opinions on that !

Personally I can't stomach the thought of it.
Who decides the criteria for life or death? what grounds is it to be decided upon i.e. born rich or poor?
Let's not kid ourselves it's another way of population control but who are the controllers?
Just another thing to consider in this is the spiritual consequences, not just for the decision makers but the children's spiritual reasons for incarnation. Would someone like Stephen Hawking have been terminated??
It's not just about abortion, genetics or race it's about children too, I'm not anti abortion for me it's about choice but this isn't really about abortion!

Just thoughts to ponder?