Underground Knowledge — A discussion group discussion

Krishna wrote: "Well caste system is not there in India. I know that. I don't think it is still there anywhere in the world.
And not eating beef seems to be the silliest thing. How can people be so silly!"

kris; B.R.C.S. economic coalition is going to be the way for so many people to get out of poverty. you do understand b.r.i.c.s. correct? the wealth of the world is no longer moving west. we must look for our investment opportunities. by the way...I'm not a cattle rancher.

yes krish; B.R.I.C.S. ECONOMIC FORUM OF COUNTRIES
BRAZIL, RUSSIA, INDIA, CHINA, SOUTH AFRICA a cattle rancher is a land owner in Texas or Oklahoma , who has many hundreds of beef cattle...raised for
meat processing.

krish, I am not a cowboy or cattle rancher...I am a citizen of the world living in the usa. ty

James wrote: "yes james; my comments, posts, lay before everyone. circles ? secret agenda? it doesn't matter what I think of other peoples. I think you have been watching the History channel on the tele. do y..."

James old chap. Friendship is a two-way street and I choose my friends carefully. Pls do not jump to conclusions - especially conclusions that are way, way off target...

This is what Tablet- a new read on Jewish life, had to say about James' favourite author Norman Finklestein:

"For three decades, Norman Finkelstein has been the American Jewish community’s problem-child—denounced as a hysteric, a marginal ideologue, and a self-hating Jew. Selfless and vain, highly emotional—sometimes hysterical—in tone yet relentlessly logical in his arguments, he is now an academic with a doctorate from Princeton whose attacks on “the Holocaust Industry” and public cheerleading for Hezbollah have rendered him so toxic that he can’t obtain even the lowliest adjunct teaching position at any community college in America."

Which leads to an open minded and fair interview:

http://tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-...

Sorry, but in my book, anyone on that side of the fence is a silly billy of the highest order.

Harry wrote: "This is what Tablet- a new read on Jewish life, had to say about James' favourite author Norman Finklestein:..."

I would like to clarify that that's the other James in this group and not me!

And yeah, Finklestein is commonly known in the Jewish community as a self-loathing Jew. Anyway, I would argue with him being Jewish he's aloud his opinions on the matter, but any non-Jew who is promoting Finklestein's books is most likely a closet anti-Semite.

Harry wrote: "This is what Tablet- a new read on Jewish life, had to say about James' favourite author Norman Finklestein:

"For three decades, Norman Finkelstein has been the American Jewish community’s problem..."

Ah, well that kinda says it all about our Norm, eh? And possibly about our James, too...

That's James, not James.

The thing about words is they're so open to misinterpretation by subjective comprehension...

:)

Harry wrote: "That's James, not James."

This is why I recently added my surname to show up in posts...so I'm not confused
I just trust a new member won't join called "James Morcan" - then we'll know we have a real conspiracy on our hands!

Edward wrote: "James wrote: "Norman Finkelstein's book "the holocaust industry", will explain that comment.why would that require explaination...industry's function for profit, the holocaust commission is no exce..."

yes Edward, your free to accept or reject what ever you like. finkelstein's work is transparent. Mr. Dershowitz is juggling charges of pedophilia right now....so perhaps you would like to select an optional source for character analyses.

I don't think a person's character invalidates their opinions. None of us are saints. I think it's more important to analyze someone's arguments and see how much they agree with facts that can be ascertained.

I don't approve of Israel's treatment of Palestine but I'm not anti-Semitic. Beside the fact that Palestinians are also Semitic, just not Jewish, they would probably be doing the same to the Jews if the shoe were on the other foot. It's an imperfect universe.

I should clarify, the people in power would fuck with the powerless, regardless. That seems to be the one universal human truth. Sad, really.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." -Jimi Hendrix

ty jim; I believe character issues may disqualify most from any forum of discussion. however , we have the case of director roman Polanski. in my opinion he has made great contributions to the art of film making. ("china town")genius! so, I must have a double standard.

James wrote: "ty jim; I believe character issues may disqualify most from any forum of discussion. however , we have the case of director roman Polanski. in my opinion he has made great contributions to the art ..."

"I believe character issues may disqualify most from any forum of discussion." -- A harsh view of fellow Man surely James? I prefer the viewpoint that most people are of good character and therefore would not be disqualified from any forum.

James Morcan wrote: ""When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." -Jimi Hendrix"

yes james, the power of love? and power of the people ? this sounds like flower people. i know NZ is not that way. jimmi Hendrix was a dope addict. lets return to the original topic please.

That was the original topic - Hendrix had it right

Lance Morcan wrote: "James wrote: "ty jim; I believe character issues may disqualify most from any forum of discussion. however , we have the case of director roman Polanski. in my opinion he has made great contributio..."

Lance Morcan wrote: "James wrote: "ty jim; I believe character issues may disqualify most from any forum of discussion. however , we have the case of director roman Polanski. in my opinion he has made great contributio..."

Lance Morcan wrote: "James wrote: "ty jim; I believe character issues may disqualify most from any forum of discussion. however , we have the case of director roman Polanski. in my opinion he has made great contributio..."

James Morcan wrote: "That was the original topic - Hendrix was a dope addict...your right...I get so confused sometimes...forgive me.

James wrote: "yes james, the power of love? and power of the people ? this sounds like flower people. i know NZ is not that way. jimmi Hendrix was a dope addict. lets return to the original topic please."

So far you've posted in this thread about 30 times or more but we are still waiting for those figures you promised - the ones you said are much better than human beings Martin Luther King, Mandela and Gandhi...

Judging from the statements in your posts so far, I am expecting those figures will be people like George W. Bush, Vladimir Putin and Henry Kissinger! Or even Adolf Hitler given your Holocaust comments...

So besides saying every other member in this group is wrong, do you have any specific ideas of your own to contribute? For example, you put down people power movement, so what better idea do you have than that??

yes james. I reviewed your bio and photo. did you get caught in a meteorite shower. there was no mention of that here in u.s.? lanced spoke of "most people are of good character". he must be reading one of your historical fiction books. public schools, government schools here in u.s. do not produce students of good character. government schools produce young people In need of government.

James wrote: "yes james. I reviewed your bio and photo. did you get caught in a meteorite shower. there was no mention of that here in u.s.? lanced spoke of "most people are of good character". he must be readi..."

I never asked you to read my bio.
I asked you to stop hijacking threads in this group with your meaningless drivel and start actually saying something on topic. You're writing like a drunkard.

James Morcan wrote: "James wrote: "yes james, the power of love? and power of the people ? this sounds like flower people. i know NZ is not that way. jimmi Hendrix was a dope addict. lets return to the original topic ..."

i'm trying to get to and reply to post 86 by james morcan. I can't access that post...what's wrong?

Lance Morcan wrote: "No genuine change in society ever occurs without the mass public getting behind a cause. The good guys in government are counting on enough of us common people waking up and demanding more rights a..."

To your first post Lance: I'd like to break this down a bit to better understand. First, what would the definition of a 'Fairer Society' be? What is that exactly? Sounds nice, but how do we do that and what does it look like? 'Fairer' in what way?

Secondly, 'Every citizen is truly equal' is equally broad and what you're getting at is not clear. If we use the Christian perspective that we are all God's children and equal in his eyes, that's one thing. From that perspective, we should all love and respect each other equally. OK. But here in our worldly reality, obviously we all are not equal in so many ways. Obviously, we cannot 'make' people equal. This sounds like an Obama redistributionist theory which is only a recipe for tyranny. i haven't read all the threads on this so maybe I missed it in there.

My point being, that when we speak, we need to have clarity and specificity to avoid being misinterpreted an thus we can get to the point directly and hopefully accomplish the intended goal ASAP!

So, back to your point, if everybody had a 'fair shot' and 'equal opportunity' to accomplish their dreams, yes, that's certainly a worthy goal.

My book addresses how we are suppressed and robbed by the operation of law and we don't even know what's being done to us. This also involves the false money system that we all operate under (it's 'credit and negotiable instruments', acting as 'money' when it's not really. This brings us under the "Law Merchant" which is why we don't have any rights, only benefits and privileges which are regulated by contract. But that's another story.

Bottom Line (finally eh?) Yes! A more 'Fair' and 'Equal' opportunity for us all to achieve our dreams would be nice. And it will never be possible until people understand the issues raised in my book.

Sorry about the self promotion, but I wrote this to help people understand, and this thread is the perfect place to present the ideas and issues contained therein.

Thanks for the opportunity and Best Wishes to all! One Freeman's War: In the Second American Revolution

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyV_U...

As a true "Yankovictim" I just had to post this link. Pardon me if the song truly doesn't fit too well, but the title was exactly the same! Come on, just respect Mr. Yankovic here and give him a chance with his perfectly titled song that connects to this thread... even though it's basically talking about a business. Just accept my enthusiasm to try and help here as ecstatic as I am.

Harry wrote: "Clark, although I agree with you about people leaning and not achieving in our present society, I believe that's symptomatic of the rich/poor world we have. For me, all basic human needs should be ..."

Harry, your philosophy is flawed (yet desirable) in this way: In order to 'give' you first must 'have'. Or, in the alternative as the government does things, must 'take'. So since none us us 'has' much more than we need to survive (by design), we obviously can't 'give' to where it's needed. This then only leaves the government to 'take' from those who 'have'. Now, when the producers of the world have their gains 'taken', they tend not to produce so much and the end result is that there is less and less to 'give'. So neither one of these models works as we have it now.

To achieve what you are suggesting would require that we 'break' the stranglehold that the Western Cabal has over the world, get back to an honest money system, an honest government that serves its creator (the people) and release all of the suppressed technology which has been sequestered in order to keep us all dependent.

Now this is a pretty tall order, but anything short of that is just talk and folly. We will not do it with the systems that are in place right now especially when they are controlled by the money powers.

You want to see some people who have broken the 'bankers code' and the system which the cabal imposed on us? It's quite liberating. But it was too few people to succeed in the end. More people need to catch on. The path is laid and the map is clear.

Again, it's all laid out in my book. It's important stuff. I hope you can read it sometime.

Free Book Giveaway coming up next week! Will be 10 lucky winners. Look for it.

One Freeman's War: In the Second American Revolution

James Morcan wrote: "Harry wrote: "War, what is it good for?..."

Absolutely nothing."

I beg to differ James: War is very good for business on one hand, if you are in 'that' business. Munitions are quite profitable you know. And all that 'recovery' and 'reconstruction', extremely profitable with all the consulting and construction contracts involved.

Then there is the financial end of things. If you can manage to finance both sides of the war, you will most certainly create huge indebtedness to your credit, which will not only bring you riches, but also political power and control over whomever is able to survive the other in the war. And of course the survivor controls the loser, so the financier ends up controlling 'both'! Nifty!

So then, war can be very good for business and future 'interests' if you are properly positioned.

Taking this one step further, in the operation of law, 'War' creates a 'state of emergency'. In a 'state of emergency' all normal legislative powers are suspended and we then move into a 'War Powers' mode which gives certain political figures unusual and extraordinary powers that don't normally come with the legislative powers granted in peacetime.

Have you heard of any well known political figures recently conducting extraordinary acts of legislation with only his 'pen and his phone'?

Have you ever considered that the USA has been in a perpetual state of War since LBJ?

War on poverty
War on drugs
War in Iraq
War here, there and everywhere
War on terrorism
War on women
etc.

Why? Now you know....

Do you ever feel like you don't have any rights anymore? Yes, because you don't! We're in a state of war, operating under the Law Merchant and Emergency Powers!

But then, whenever someone starts talking of 'the law' peoples' eyes glaze over and they start thinking about their picnic this weekend.

Thus, we all stay comfortably in 'the corral'.

Blessings.

One Freeman's War: In the Second American Revolution

Brian wrote: "Tomorrow all of your debts will be wiped out and everyone will keep what they have. In addition everyone gets 1 million dollars deposited in their bank accounts.

Go..."

Sarcasm perhaps?

Mark wrote: "Lance Morcan wrote: "No genuine change in society ever occurs without the mass public getting behind a cause. The good guys in government are counting on enough of us common people waking up and de..."

Hi Mark - The definition of “a fairer society” is pretty straight forward I’d have thought. It’s one where 99% of the world’s wealth isn’t in the hands of the 1% (the global elite); where women have equal rights; where First World nations don’t plunder the resources of Third World nations; where people aren’t discriminated against because of their color or their religion; where the citizens, not the politicians, decide whether we go to war (by referendum perhaps) etc. etc.

Regarding equality, we obviously don’t refer to how we appear to God’s eyes. We cannot 'make' people equal, but I believe the power ultimately does lie with the people. If we the people don’t act to promote a fairer society, no-one else will. Certainly not the politicians or the puppetmasters. Maybe that’s where this group can perform a service to society…

I agree we need to have clarity and specificity. Never a truer word!

Lance Morcan wrote: "Mark wrote: "Lance Morcan wrote: "No genuine change in society ever occurs without the mass public getting behind a cause. The good guys in government are counting on enough of us common people wak..."

I think you hit the nail on the head when you said 'it's up to the people'. Our society has been fractured into splinter groups, all fighting against each other for power and recognition in the political arena and in the process we have forgotten our common roots, values and objectives. This is how the cabal defeats us (one of the ways anyway). Individually, we have been isolated into 'units' just trying to survive (due to the false money system) and with the little time and resources we have left, we spend it on video games, entertainment and consumption. So the challenge is to properly educate and motivate 'the new culture' so people can get off their 'duff', get involved in community, 'Just say "NO" when required and be pro-active in working toward common interests. No small order but I DO think people are starting to wake up to some degree and all society needs for change is an energetic 1% to 3%. Let's get busy!

OK I understand that. However, I think we would probably end up in an even bigger mess. One cannot be taught "common sense". Also, most people in the West have been taught that success equates to possessions.

I have also watched as groups of people with particular agendas protest outside Parliament and these groups are pushing a barrow of their own. Even if the cause can be construed as a good one, I believe they like the notoriety it brings them and the feeling of brotherhood and belonging it gives them. If we really want to help the world, we have to examine closely all our motives for our actions and beliefs. We do not want to create anarchy. Can we, the people, act for the betterment of mankind? How do you think those who we are suspicious of got to be powerful. They, at one stage of their life were you and me; ordinary people - the public.

In effect, we have to become entirely unselfish. Now most people would say they are not selfish. However I think it is one of man's flaws and to eradicate it, we have to turn to our inner selves and ask for guidance. At no time on Earth will all of the people at the same time be blessed with wisdom so who do you choose to speak in our name?

Mark wrote: To achieve what you are suggesting would require that we 'break' the stranglehold that the Western Cabal has over the world, get back to an honest money system, an honest government that serves its creator (the people) and release all of the suppressed technology which has been sequestered in order to keep us all dependent.
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Yes. That's exactly what I'm suggesting.

No flaws! :)

Whilst I'm at it....

Why DON'T we base our world on ideals that we want to achieve rather than basing it on the shit we're stuck in?


Taxes on food and shelter and not military might seems pretty sensible to me.

Taxes on 'necessities'? Doesn't help the lower economic srtata much. And what is a tax on military might? Never saw one of those.

Mark wrote: "Taxes on 'necessities'? Doesn't help the lower economic srtata much. And what is a tax on military might? Never saw one of those."

Simple! Your taxes and the people's taxes pay for the war machine. Maybe we would have a lesser proportion of our income in taxes to pay if there were less wars OR we could pay the same taxes but have it channelled into helping those who most need it through no fault of their own.

Laureen wrote: "Simple! Your taxes and the people's taxes pay for the war machine. Maybe we would have a lesser proportion of our income in taxes to pay if there were less wars OR we could pay the same taxes but have it channelled into helping those who most need it through no fault of their own. ..."

Absolutely - the Military Industrial Complex is bankrupting the Western world. And no country more so than America, unfortunately.
And you're right: How can there be such a gigantic war machine with no expense spared and then governments tell us not all of those less fortunate than us in society can be provided for.

Mark wrote: "Taxes on 'necessities'? Doesn't help the lower economic srtata much. And what is a tax on military might? Never saw one of those."

Mark, I'm surprised you haven't noticed just how much money is spent on the military, and how there is always money to be found in this sector of government whilst the lower stratas are stuck in poverty without a living wage and the necessities of life.

Taxes should be spent on necessities like food, water, housing and energy? Jeez, what a controversial idea!

I want to build a world on common sense that benefits everyone.

It's time to make things really damn simple amongst the spiralling out of control Kafkaesque red tape world we're lost in.

Fay wrote: "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyV_U...

As a true "Yankovictim" I just had to post this link. Pardon me if the song truly doesn't fit too well, but the title was exactly the same! Come on, jus..."

hahaha... I just listened to this Fay- it really made me smile! Thanks!

I'd kinda forgotten all about Weird Al.

Fay wrote: "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyV_U...

As a true "Yankovictim" I just had to post this link. Pardon me if the song truly doesn't fit too well, but the title was exactly the same! Come on, jus..."

I was going to read this thread, then the yankovic takeoff made me decide to crank up Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young and dance around the house while doing laundry and cleaning...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a38cR...

No good w/o Young.

Hi Harry et.al! This mission statement is a threat that every one of us agree on. Fantastic! In that case we should be able to have a positive impact on the world. You see, peace, and good will toward man (and woman) is inevitable. It is what we all agree should be.

Mikhayla wrote: "Hi Harry et.al! This mission statement is a threat that every one of us agree on. Fantastic! In that case we should be able to have a positive impact on the world. You see, peace, and good will tow..."

Yeah baby! We're gonna change the world don't-chaknow!

:)

Harry wrote: "Fay wrote: "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyV_U...

As a true "Yankovictim" I just had to post this link. Pardon me if the song truly doesn't fit too well, but the title was exactly the same! ..."

No problem Harry! :)
'Al' lives on...

Rosalie wrote: "Fay wrote: "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyV_U...

As a true "Yankovictim" I just had to post this link. Pardon me if the song truly doesn't fit too well, but the title was exactly the same! ..."

Ahahaha Rosalie.

Krishna wrote: "We definitely will change the world!!"

Yeah man! The Peace Brigade of The Crazies begins here and now! :)

Fay wrote: "Rosalie wrote: "Fay wrote: "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyV_U...

As a true "Yankovictim" I just had to post this link. Pardon me if the song truly doesn't fit too well, but the title was ex..."

I'm gonna have to find his Eat It and Smells Like... on YouTube now.