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I'm floored about the betrayal between Mac and Barrons...
I know!! Where did that come from? I think I'm surprised about the dual narrators too. Is she condensing a couple books here?
I'm thinking most of the book is Dani's POV, but maybe she switches to Mac's POV for parts of the book. Maybe each chapter alternates.
I wonder who betrays whom. OMG JANUARY HURRY.
Jessica wrote: "I'm thinking most of the book is Dani's POV, but maybe she switches to Mac's POV for parts of the book. Maybe each chapter alternates."Actually, I think most of the book is written in Mac's voice. Something about being able to see things more objectively than Dani. I believe that's what I read on FB.
KMM says that both Mac and Dani are primary protagonists, but I wouldn't be surprised if BURNED is written mostly though Mac's POV. Fans want Barron back, and that means more Mac. Plus Dani was always more interesting when she was up against Mac, friend or enemy. So me thinks that KMM has flushed the idea of a true spin off series for Dani. The fact that Iced is now considered book 6 in the Fever series speaks to that fact. And it may really work! I loved the Fever series, but felt the pacing in Ice was a let down.
I really expected to see a PI/gritty detective/UF series with Christian, but that's since changed. Now I honestly don't know what to exoect
oh ok, see I was still under the impression she was still keeping this as a spin off with "guest appearances" by Mac and Barrons which was great. However, if KMM has nixed that idea, Even Better!!!
Laura the Highland Hussy wrote: "I really expected to see a PI/gritty detective/UF series with Christian, but that's since changed. Now I honestly don't know what to exoect"Oh, that is right. I almost forgot. Christian was going to get his own series. I think she's just going to lump these new romances (Christian, Dani...etc.) into this one continual series. Looks like the plan changed and now Mac is back, and the Fae are likely causing more chaos that only she can solve.
I would love, love, love it if Christian got his own spin off series. With or without Dani!
She stated that she wasn't going to do anything for Christian a while back. I think she figured to combine Dani and Mac's stories to move on with the series.
Do you think there is a new issue between Dani and Mac? I'm kind of thinking that it is a continuation of Dani thinking that Mac hates her after finding out about Alina's death when Mac had actually forgiven her by the end of Shadowfever.
Kim wrote: "Do you think there is a new issue between Dani and Mac? I'm kind of thinking that it is a continuation of Dani thinking that Mac hates her after finding out about Alina's death when Mac had actuall..."@Samantha: Raspberry for the party pooper :P
Since Iced ends with Mac confronting Dani it seems to me that Mac would let Dani know then and there that she does not blame Dani for what happened to Alina. Plus Mac could also pass the message along to Dani via Ryo, one of the other "Nine" or the Sidhe Seers. Having stated that I think a more likely outcome would be that Dani has not forgiven herself for what happened with Alina because she was too young and impressionable to fully understand how badly she was manipulated by Rowena. Also it was mentioned that Alina's death was not the only death that Rowena used Dani to dish out in such a similar fashion. Maybe Dani goes a little darkside because she can't forgive herself, which would mimic her behavior with the porn when she was trying to figure out/establish her own sexual identity after her encounters with the Unseelie Princes.
@Maeve: Wow, I just realized I don't remember the ending of Iced at all! I'm trying to remember this confrontation and I'm drawing a complete blank! Was Barrons there to keep Dani from freeze framing out? I don't think Mac would pass a message of forgiveness along through anyone. She would feel the need to do that on her own, face to face.
If Burned starts off with Dani being forced to listen to Mac, I can completely see Dani ignoring all of it. Or even raising her hackles out of defensiveness and telling Mac that killing Alina was her decision and maybe even threatening Mac too. It would all be bluster of course, just Dani trying to seem all badass and convince the world she doesn't give a feck about anything.
I just really can't imagine a new betrayal between Mac and Dani. Or maybe I just don't want to. Those two need each other!
And I completely agree with you, Maeve, Dani is going to have an incredibly hard time forgiving herself and accepting that she can be forgiven by Mac more than anything else.
Burned takes place about 5 years latter because Dani is going to be 19 in it. The confrontation between Dani and Mac happens at the very end of Iced and my best guess is that Barron's wasn't around at the time because he wasn't mentioned and had no dialog within the scene. Mac just got the drop on Dani and told her to "hold on because she's been wanting to talk to her". I think Dani would do that much considering how much she looked up to Mac in the past.
Maeve wrote: "Burned takes place about 5 years latter because Dani is going to be 19 in it. The confrontation between Dani and Mac happens at the very end of Iced."Maeve-I thought Dani would be 17?
I bet a lot of people are fuzzy on the details from Iced. Yesterday I read my review I wrote 3 years ago and realized how much I have forgotten. I have it on audio and will likely do a re-listen in the coming months just to get caught up with the story. I am glad Dani will be older!
Laura the Highland Hussy wrote: "Maeve wrote: "Burned takes place about 5 years latter because Dani is going to be 19 in it. The confrontation between Dani and Mac happens at the very end of Iced."Maeve-I thought Dani would be 17?"
Some places I hear 17 and others 19 and still others are saying she will be 19 by the end of Burned. I can't site references because I been so many places listening to what others are speculating that I can't remember where I heard what.
♡Karlyn P♡ wrote: "I bet a lot of people are fuzzy on the details from Iced. Yesterday I read my review I wrote 3 years ago and realized how much I have forgotten. I have it on audio and will likely do a re-listen in..."It would be more realistic if Dani jumped from 14 to 15 in the next book IMO. I liked Dani and the Iced spin off just the way it was. I'm thinking the delayed release of Burned is due to the controversy over Dani being 14 in Iced and it completely sucks to have to wait because some people want to read things into Iced that are perverted and icky.
Maeve wrote: "♡Karlyn P♡ wrote: "I bet a lot of people are fuzzy on the details from Iced. Yesterday I read my review I wrote 3 years ago and realized how much I have forgotten. I have it on audio and will likel..."If she is a few years older, then I am sure KMM will add a good bit of back story to fill in those missing years. So I assume we will 'see' her at 14, 15, 16..etc. just in past flashes.
I agree and have no doubt the controversy was a huge factor for both the delay and story change. Despite the ick factor of Dani being just 14, KMM is well known and loved for her steamy romances and sexual tension, something which Iced failed to deliver. Adding Mac and Barron back in to the main storyline will help her deliver the steamy parts while (hopefully!) showing more respect to Dani's young age.
I don't completely disagree with everyone who felt Dani was inappropriately displayed as a sex object. Yes, a lot was read into far too much. I enjoyed the book and didn't let much of it bother me, with the exception of one significant part. I don't know if you remember, but the official uniform at the bar where she worked was the Catholic school girl outfit. KMMs choice of putting a young girl in a sexy outfit that caters to pedophile fantasies was completely disturbing to me.
Burned doesn't necessarily take place 5 years later. KMM stated Dani would be 19 in Burned doesnt mean at the beginning. She could age throughout the book.Lol@ the raspberries.
Also, I don't see a huge jump in her age factor like that. Part of what readers need to see is Dani's transformation to becoming that awesome woman that Ryo knows she will be. I n order to achieve that, we need to see some of what makes her mature.
Samantha wrote: "Also, I don't see a huge jump in her age factor like that. Part of what readers need to see is Dani's transformation to becoming that awesome woman that Ryo knows she will be. I n order to achieve ..."Agreed on both points. I'm hoping she steps through a mirror or something and get stuck there for 2 months and 4 yrs have passed...that would put her at 18.
♡Karlyn P♡ wrote: "...I agree and have no doubt the controversy was a huge factor for both the delay and story change. Despite the ick factor of Dani being just 14, KMM is well known and loved for her steamy romances and sexual tension, something which Iced failed to deliver. Adding Mac and Barron back in to the main storyline will help her deliver the steamy parts while (hopefully!) showing more respect to Dani's young age. I don't completely disagree with everyone who felt Dani was inappropriately displayed as a sex object. Yes, a lot was read into far too much. I enjoyed the book and didn't let much of it bother me, with the exception of one significant part. I don't know if you remember, but the official uniform at the bar where she worked was the Catholic school girl outfit. KMMs choice of putting a young girl in a sexy outfit that caters to pedophile fantasies was completely disturbing to me. "
That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. I completely disagree with you and here's my reasons why:
I never said Dani being 14 was icky. I said what some people are reading into it is icky. My mind does not always travel directly to sex so my experience while reading Iced differed greatly. I think KMM put Dani in the "catholic girls" uniform to help illustrate that although there were adult males who were clearly interested in having a more in depth relationship with Dani in the future all of them still knew and cared about the difference between right and wrong. They cared enough not to cross the line even in an apocalyptic setting such as Dublin ATWF, where let’s face it if someone wanted to do icky stuff like the kind of nasty crap some people are referring to they could without reprimand.
Dani in the uniform was not found disturbing by me because this is what I find disturbing:
Toddlers and Tiaras
or
Law and Order SVU Unit
The way in which children are portrayed in both of these forms of media are very unsettling and would provide inspiration for enough different kinds of sick and depraved schemes for someone demented enough to not be able to have healthy normal relationships with children that reading Iced would pale by comparison.
Another thing I find disconcerting is the fact that people's attitude toward the book Iced threatens to transform an imaginative and talented writer like KMM into another Cassandra Clare. Should writers only be allowed to produce the same story over and over again (in some cases not even bothering to change the names) because people have an expectation of more of the same every time they chose to read one of their books? Personally I would like to see Authors grow stronger as writers and experiment with different story types and plot building techniques because I applaud and respect innovation.
One last thing I would like to mention before I climb down off my soap box. Romance is about more than just sex. That's right everyone you heard it here first so I'll say it again ROMANCE is about more than just SEX. It’s about caring about another person's welfare just as much or even a little more than your own welfare. Seems to me there was a lot of that type of behavior taking place in Iced. Romance is also about taking the time and effort to get to know someone as a person (not just their genitals) which includes personality, likes, dislikes etc. I seem to remember a whole bunch of that taking place also. Romance is also about 100's of other things that are not directly related to sex as well. I think it's a little sad that someone could read Iced and walk away feeling like Dani was exploited, because one Dani is not a real person. I repeat Dani (as much as we all love her for being her quirky, optimistic, superpowered, comedic self) is NOT a real person. Two in order for someone to read so much darkness into a story like Iced would mean that for whatever reasons that much darkness is lurking somewhere in the back of their mind to begin with. I'm not calling the pedo-bandwagoners pedo-wannabes all I'm saying is if you start to see something all over the place that isn't as openly apparent to everyone else, then it is a fair assumption that the underlying issue exist within yourself and would most likely get fixed if the means of resolution comes from the inside as well (in other words the world doesn't need to change, you do). Lastly censuring something because people who are need of mental help can't handle it or because these same people may get harmful ideas from it is wrong because once it starts, where does it end and when do we focus on getting these people the medical attention they so desperately need instead of playing "doctor" ourselves and trying to shield them?
♡Karlyn P♡ wrote: "Maeve wrote: "♡Karlyn P♡ wrote: "I bet a lot of people are fuzzy on the details from Iced. Yesterday I read my review I wrote 3 years ago and realized how much I have forgotten. I have it on audio ..."Ooo, I liked the scene where she was put in that costume and Ryodan "didn't" look at her. Disturbing? Maybe a bit, yes. I wish she just could have been a bit older. I mean, it wouldn't be that hard to make her 17 in Iced. I would have adored that scene if she was a bit older.
My advice is to just switch it off. Dani will be older in Burned, and all will be good (except of the primary POV being Mac).
Lol. Winnie, I liked that scene too and didn't see anything wrong. He didn't look at her though that pissed her off. But because she thought she looked stupid. She didnt even think anything else.
Winnie wrote: Ooo, I liked the scene where she was put in that costume and Ryodan "didn't" look at her. Disturbing? Maybe a bit, yes. I wish she just could have been a bit older. I mean, it wouldn't be that hard to make her 17 in Iced. I would have adored that scene if she was a bit older."Hmmm,
So are you saying a scene in which someone chooses to look away because they find looking at another person disturbing enough on some level or another is more upsetting for you than this?
I found the scene to be very inciteful in that Ryo never gets questioned or argued with outside of Dani (and his taking a little lip from Mac in the past). I liked that one of his decisions (namely making the waitresses wear that demeaning costume) reared its ulgy head up and bit him in the butt by eventually leading to an awkward moment for him personally. It somehow made him more human to me.
Good point about making the women wear that outfit and she has to wear it. Very funny.
Samantha wrote: "Good point about making the women wear that outfit and she has to wear it. Very funny."Thanks :)
Maeve wrote: "Winnie wrote: Ooo, I liked the scene where she was put in that costume and Ryodan "didn't" look at her. Disturbing? Maybe a bit, yes. I wish she just could have been a bit older. I mean, it wouldn'..."Maeve: that is a very good point in the picture you posted. I have never seen that show TV, and will never as I am so sick and tired of sexualisation of girls and women everywhere. If your point is that there are worse things out there than the sexual innuendo in Iced, I totally agree with you. There are, and a lot of it. And way, way worse!
But I can't close my eyes to the fact that there is some in this book also. And just because I love the story doesn't mean that I have to accept and love all aspects of it.
It is and always will be a disturbing fact in the book that older men are lusting after a teenage girl. We could analyze it up and down, and come to the conclusion that all in all we will accept it, as I have. And the reason I have accepted it...I'm mildly obsessed by the world KMM has created and it has sparked curiosity with me.
But I think it's unfair to ask her fans to push their boundaries because it's fiction or because there are worse things just a click away. I think it's cool that people react to it. And I strongly believe that it would be way worse if nobody reacted.
About the scene: It made him more human to me also :)
Winnie wrote: "But I think it's unfair to ask her fans to push their boundaries because it's fiction or because there are worse things just a click away. I think it's cool that people react to it. And I strongly believe that it would be way worse if nobody reacted..."
I respect your feeling reguarding this matter Winnie and can honestly say even though I don't share them I can understand your point of view. You are also right about the point I was trying to make. I'm not trying to make excuses for KMM, but I think she might have placed most of the innuendos into Iced because she didn't want the book to fall into the YA category (or to disappoint her Alpha groupies). I can't think of any other way to accomplish that, but do believe that knowing what she knows today KMM would have definitely went another route :) As someone who would love to try my hand at writing a novel someday I did find the whole Iced issue to be educational on many levels.
OK, first off... I LOVE that this is a "Support Group For Burned". Lol! for us addicts. Going back to the whole Mac/Dani fight (that begins on the last page of Iced), I had gotten the impression that Mac was going to confront Dani but then forgive her. But then in the amazon description of the book it says "Mac’s former protégé and best friend, Dani “Mega” O’Malley, is now her fierce enemy"... so do they make up in the beginning of Burned or not? What do you guys think?
Also, any ideas as to what is holding her back from using her superpowers when she confronts Mac?
The only superpower we know she has is freeze framing. She couldn't do it on more than one occasion with Ryodan. Therefore, it has yo do with her becoming emotionally distress, etc.
Little Feather wrote: "OK, first off... I LOVE that this is a "Support Group For Burned". Lol! for us addicts. Going back to the whole Mac/Dani fight (that begins on the last page of Iced), I had gotten the impression ..."
I think the blurb also included something about Mac being more influenced by the Sinsar Dubh than ever though she already defeated it too. I wonder if we are going to get another book (mostly) filled with Evil/Crazy Mac like we did in Shadowfever?
To answer your question I suspect that we will get a brief glimpse or two of Mac and Dani's friendship through recollection but not in the main storyline until much latter in the book because Mac is gone all whack-a-doodle from being influenced by the Sinsar Dubh. It sounds like we are going to get an extended girl-fight featuring Mac and Dani (I hope I'm wronge about this one) in January. I'm wondering if Mac is going to get any new found super powers as a result of her prolonged exposure to the book herself.
I pretty much agree with what Samantha stated about Dani's superpowers. If I recall correctly her super-speed needs to be fueled by a high calorie consumption of food/candy which simply may become too scare resulting in Dani's not being able to freeze-frame as much as she did in the past.
Hmmm... Book blurbs can often be misleading and/or allude to things that happen in the first part of a book. If Dani sticks around long enough to listen and talk to Mac I could see them putting aside their problems and working together to defeat whatever the BIG BAD is in the next book. It might take some time, but I think they'll be close again.
I agree, Shannon. There are too many things that she needs to address to be worried about dragging Dani/Mac fight out. Mac was ready to forgive her. They will move on.
Shannon wrote: "Hmmm... Book blurbs can often be misleading and/or allude to things that happen in the first part of a book. If Dani sticks around long enough to listen and talk to Mac I could see them putting asi..."I hope you are right. Those two are like Scooby Doo and Shaggy. I want their friendship to prevail.LMAO!I also want my Cray Fae Christian back too <3
Shannon wrote: "Hmmm... Book blurbs can often be misleading..."Good point!!! This gives me hope that Dani will be in it a lot more than the stupid blurb suggests. She is a total sidenote in the blurb and that drives me crazy. I still wish the story was going to be all about Dani and told mostly from her POV as we were originally led to believe.
Well?! What do we all think?
"BURNED cover copy. Figured I'd post it before someone else did It's only a few sentences and doesn't tell much. There's so much going on in BURNED that we couldn't talk about, it was difficult to put together what we could. To reiterate, Mac and Dani are both primary protagonists in BURNED.
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It’s easy to walk away from lies. Power is another thing.
MacKayla Lane would do anything to save the home she loves. A gifted sidhe-seer, she’s already fought and defeated the deadly Sinsar Dubh—an ancient book of terrible evil—yet its hold on her has never been stronger.
When the wall that protected humans from the seductive, insatiable Fae was destroyed on Halloween, long-imprisoned immortals ravaged the planet. Now Dublin is a war zone with factions battling for control. As the city heats up and the ice left by the Hoar Frost King melts, tempers flare, passions run red-hot, and dangerous lines get crossed. Seelie and Unseelie vie for power against nine ancient immortals who have governed Dublin for millennia; a rival band of sidhe-seers invades the city, determined to claim it for their own; Mac’s former protégé and best friend, Dani “Mega” O’Malley, is now her fierce enemy; and even more urgent, Highland druid Christian MacKeltar has been captured by the Crimson Hag and is being driven deeper into Unseelie madness with each passing day. The only one Mac can depend on is the powerful, dangerous immortal Jericho Barrons, but even their fiery bond is tested by betrayal.
It’s a world where staying alive is a constant struggle, the line between good and evil gets blurred, and every alliance comes at a price. In an epic battle against dark forces, Mac must decide who she can trust, and what her survival is ultimately worth."