Underground Knowledge — A discussion group discussion

I've been thinking about The Swimmer a fair bit lately. Think it has relevance to all our lives, on some level. One of my favs also.

Yes to Invasion of the Body Snatchers, no to The Forbin Project.

Well done. Really, cinema is a major way to raise people's consciousness.

Feliks wrote: "Well done. Really, cinema is a major way to raise people's consciousness."

Absolutely...or drop people's consciousness...

Coming back to NYC, do you think the city will ever produce the great artists it once did? Or do you feel the era of NYC being a beacon of culture has passed for good?

James wrote: "Coming back to NYC, do you think the city will ever produce the great artists it once did? Or do you feel the era of NYC being a beacon of culture has passed for good?..."

Long gone.

I'm pretty well up on New York history and media history. What great artists do you have in mind when you ask your question? New York had the theater, it was (and is) the center of advertising...anything else which is still around? No. Advertising? Yes, if you call that 'culture'. Fashion mecca? Yes, but who can afford that? The Broadway stage is very nearly corporate these days. Shyt like 'Lion King' and 'Spiderman'. Utter tripe.

Art is gone, music is almost gone. We get our music from the west coast; strictly corporate garbage. Writing? Authors? Poets? Hell no. Name something else, I'm drawing a blank. Comedy? Gutless. No more Lenny Bruce. Every comedian wants a network contract. No rebels.

The problem today is really, not just this city, but the entire country. People are shuffling around in a media-addicted trance; there is no culture anymore; all media is pivoting around on a giant advertising axis in order to take advantage of the absolute, pure, docile, unblinking, rapt, vapidity out there lately. It is frightening. You have people nowadays who literally cannot put their touch-screen down. Not for any reason. It is ASTOUNDING. Why make 'culture' for these millions? They aren't asking for it. They're asking to be drugged. Willingly sedated. It is the craziest phenomenon ever.

Feliks wrote: "I'm pretty well up on new York history and media history. What great artists do you have in mind when you ask your question?...."

A few examples: Brando. Elia Kazan. De Niro. Scorsese. Streisand.
All were either born and raised in NYC or else came of age there and spoke of the city evolving them culturally/artistically/philosophically.

Quite true, these are famous names. Very talented too--in the course of their long careers. Not all of them are pioneering though; and not all indicate a tradition or an institution which we can try to 'keep going'. These names are the fluke figureheads to industries which need a lot more than a handful of stars to keep prosperous and thriving. For example, Martin Scorcese is not the typical director, he is the anomaly. DeNiro and the handful of other actors who were at his level during his heyday...they numbered very few at the time; and today there is no such wave of actors to compare. So when you ask, 'how can we get back to greatness?' I'm at a loss to suggest how New York could really become a mecca again, in any regard. The 'systems' are all gone which in previous decades, could yield the emergence of such talents as the above.

Does anyone even remember that New York was once a publishing capital? A jazz capital? An art capital? A dance capital? A mecca for stand-up comedy, architecture, sculpture, punk bands, or nightclub cabarets? Who remembers this? Where are any of these great traditions kept alive? The Harlem Renaissance, who recalls this anymore? Sadly, no. It's all been swept away by media, I'm telling ya. People are entranced by TV shows made three thousand miles away on the west coast; they're not even looking around at the city they actually live in anymore.

Altered Genes, Twisted Truth: How the Venture to Genetically Engineer Our Food Has Subverted Science, Corrupted Government, and Systematically Deceived the Public

Food Fight: GMOs and the Future of the American Diet



GMO Free Diet: How to stay healthy by identifying and avoiding dangerous foods (genetically modified foods)(Monsanto)

Scientist who discovered that GMO's cause tumors wins lawsuit http://herbalhouse365.com/2016/02/21/...#

Oregon Just Sued Monsanto For $100 Million Due To Toxic & Unsafe Products https://www.davidwolfe.com/oregon-sue...

The Monsanto Papers -- ABC News (Australia) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JszHr...
Four Corners investigates the secret tactics used by global chemical giant Monsanto to protect its billion-dollar business and its star product, the weed killer, Roundup.

Genetically Modified Children (FREE VIEWING - LIMITED TIME) http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/gene...

James wrote: "Genetically Modified Children (FREE VIEWING - LIMITED TIME) http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/gene..."

LOL GMC's? Sorry this is not supposed to be a joke but I just found it funny. Sorry

It's pretty obvious monsanto is working with bayer so people get sick from stupid fake food then go to the cheesy pharmacy and buy fake medicine and go back to "healthy greens" when it was made by monsanto the go back to the pharmacy!
That's basically what's going on. And monsanto is food and pharmacy is bayer! SOOOOO OBVIOUS

Yusuf_BigfootHunter wrote: "LOL GMC's? Sorry this is not supposed to be a joke but I just found it funny. Sorry..."

I agree - Genetically Modified Children could be the title of a comedy...or a horror movie!

I hope it's not actually true tho...

GMO Foods https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2...

After author/journalist McKay Jenkins experienced a health scare of his own, he set out to discover the truth about toxic chemicals, our alarming levels of exposure, and the government's failure to regulate them effectively. In the first half of the show, he focused on GMO foods from both sides of the debate, as well as the state of agribusiness. Increasingly, people don't know what's in their food, and the labeling process can be confusing, he noted. About six giant industrial-chemical agricultural companies control most of what we eat, he revealed, and because they have so much money and power, they're able to influence or determine how they're regulated by the government. Jenkins pointed out that the food business has become highly centralized, and as an alternative, consumers should seek out foods from their local farmers.

GMO corn has been altered to have a bacterium inside that makes it resistant to caterpillars, whereas as herbicide-resistant GMOs such as soybeans are being designed to withstand having herbicides applied to them. While the agriculture companies declare these foods as safe, humans end up consuming some of the chemicals and bacteria, he cited, and if not directly through the corn and soy, then through the farm animals that are fed on them. Further, many junk and processed foods use GMOs for ingredients like high fructose corn syrup. Conversely, GMO designs have offered beneficial solutions in some cases, such as in the development of golden rice, which adds beta-carotene (a source of vitamin A) to rice, and a modification to Hawaiian papayas that saved farmers' livelihoods.

Paul François, the French farmer taking on Monsanto https://www.france24.com/en/20190206-...

“Monsanto developed its aluminum-resistant “Terminator” seed in step with the Welsbach patent and Cloverleaf jets furrowing the sky and sowing Al2O3 combustion chemicals in soil, oceans, rivers, water reservoirs, gills and lungs. Big Pharma corporations boost cancer, legislate for more vaccinations, and pay off physicians to ply Americans with one drug after another. Like Monsanto seed, fertilizers, and pesticides, “mood stabilizers” and vaccines are designed to work synergistically with the chemicals and nanoparticulates falling from the sky. Profit and population control go hand in hand.”
―Elana Freeland

The Complete History of Monsanto, “The World’s Most Evil Corporation” https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-com...

Seeds of Destruction: The Hidden Agenda of Genetic Manipulation

This skilfully researched book focuses on how a small socio-political American elite seeks to establish control over the very basis of human survival: the provision of our daily bread. “Control the food and you control the people.”

This is no ordinary book about the perils of GMO. Engdahl takes the reader inside the corridors of power, into the backrooms of the science labs, behind closed doors in the corporate boardrooms.

The author cogently reveals a diabolical world of profit-driven political intrigue, government corruption and coercion, where genetic manipulation and the patenting of life forms are used to gain worldwide control over food production. If the book often reads as a crime story, that should come as no surprise. For that is what it is.

I happened to be looking at this insect population reduction technology via gene altering... And then at the bottom I saw the good old Gates Foundation is funding it... Given Bill is always rabbiting on about the supposed urgent need to reduce populations, imagine if they are doing that on humans too with a "self limiting gene" spreading :)
Or else imagine if genetically modified mosquitos are released into environments to spread disease and eventually create virus outbreaks in humans...

Oxitec
https://www.oxitec.com/en/our-technol...

Our insects contain a self-limiting gene, and when this gene is passed on to their offspring, offspring do not survive to adulthood, resulting in a reduction in the pest insect population. We call this method “self-limiting” because the released insects and the self-limiting gene that they pass on are designed to die and disappear from the environment.

The Zika Hole Goes Deeper https://www.thevoiceslu.com/2016/02/t...
Oxitec modified mosquitos in play here?

Florida says ‘this is fine’ to release of genetically modified mosquitoes https://globalnews.ca/news/7080776/ge...

Oxitec wins approval to release GMO mosquitoes in US https://allianceforscience.cornell.ed...