Underground Knowledge — A discussion group discussion

Some years ago I became aware of this theory, that I suppose rightly could be called a conspiracy theory: that in fact, the Earth is some kind of spiritual prison, or such, and that reincarnation itself is a trap. However, even if I am not really what I would think of as a conspiracy theorist, I am not so ready to dismiss some conspiracies, because I realize that they are not all created equally. Some are quite plausible, some are less plausible, and some are fairly inane. With this particular one, I am not at all ready to just dismiss it, with its dire implications -- if it is true.

There's quite a lot on the web about this subject, including Youtube videos, and I do have a basic understanding of the claims made. From what I understand, the Earth, or the physical realm we see around us, is a sort of simulation (somewhat like the Matrix, perhaps, but not necessarily a computer simulation?), intended to keep us from discovering our true nature, or the nature of the universe itself, or such. Apparently, reincarnation is perhaps best described as a spirtual scam, keeping us locked in a perpetual cycle of incarnation, where we are denied the ability to evolve spiritually, with the "tunnel of light" being the trap itself. I have heard claims that the reason (or one of them) for all of this deception, is to generate negative emotional energy, that is be used/fed on, by our unseen "jailers", as a form of sustenence, I suppose. Although, one criticism is that the Earth in general is more peaceful now than it used to be, so they might not have as much "food" as they once did.

The good news is that being aware of this claim probably is enough to prepare us (awareness of something possibily being amiss here) to deal with this problem, should it exist, upon our "death" -- if we understand what to do. The general consensus seems to be that we just need to think ourself away from the tunnel of light, and towards what is described as the "grid" (being part of the structre of the trap?)... where there are holes, allowing escape, into the wider spiritual universe itself.

There's plenty of websites covering this, but this is a good summary for those not aware of it, although I figure most of us here probably have heard of this by now. This one seems consistent with most of what I've read:

https://prepareforchange.net/2018/07/...

I can't say much else for the reliability of anything else on that website, however.

In any case, I feel that the ramifications of this theory being true are far, far too serious to ignore. To put it one way... if we are wrong about this, then we're just mistaken, or perhaps delusional, at very worst. I suppose I could live with being delusional, though. But... if it really is true, then this is probably the most important thing we could ever learn in life. It's too easy to fall into the psychological trap of rejecting new, even bizarre-sounding information, because it exceeds our threshold for what we consider "plausible" information. The issue with dismissing outright strange ideas was noted by Peter Medawar, the British biologist. This is one of my favorite quotations and could almost be a mantra for this group:

“The human mind treats a new idea the same way the body treats a strange protein; it rejects it.”

So, what do you all think of this theory?

I can't say I believe in such theories about the nature of reality and the Afterlife (I used to however), but I read this book which covers what you're talking about...

Earth: A Spiritual Trap & Practical Exercises to Ascend by Edward Alexander



The author also gave an interview here:

Masons, Mind Control and Living in the Matrix with Edward "Maggador" Alexander https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzJzA...

I’m busy so I will, hopefully, add more later. This is what my book as supposed to mainly be about, before the project was sabotaged.

If you read my writings, you will notice traces of it there. Maybe I can pass along some books that are good sources for it.

It’s just something to talk about, but of course, that it can’t really be proven or disproven doesn’t mean it’s a real idea that can be experienced in any way. It originally was a topic to use as a reason why someone didn’t have sex with someone else.

Then they say, half jokingly, “Well, maybe we’ll just be reborn and be given another chance to make things right.”

Et cetera.

Oddly enough, this seems to have started out as exclusively my own idea and as a somewhat funny “ironic” thing to talk about, but it’s hard getting others to bite to tell the whole joke.

And so, now people just say to me “Why don’t you transcend then? Leave this Earth! Save us!”

So you explain to them the concept of “bodhisattva”, “enlightenment”, or the “pure land Buddhism” to inform them why you “just” won’t do that.

I would say that “enlightenment” is subtle, more often than not. You can listen to these gurus but whether their credentials suffice is probably up to you - not that it really matters.

Yeah, I was a bit busy myself this week and got sidetracked, here...

Anyway, I'm really not sure what to think of the idea, or theory as it were, but it's not something I am willing to dismiss out-of-hand either.

For the most part, I'm just keen on being aware, at the time of death -- whenever that may happen -- that something might be amiss. I think in this case a little paranoia might well be a good thing.

James, you said you don't "believe" in such theories. With topics like this, that aren't falsifiable (as Mark comments on, above), I do my best to neither believe or disbelieve, myself. It seems much of society has lost the ability to ponder an idea, even an apparently bizarre one, such as this, without committing to either outright belief or disbelief. I just remain neutrally skeptical, suspending judgement for the time being... at least until I can learn more of it.

No doubt though, it's an interesting and though-provoking concept.

Shane wrote: "James, you said you don't "believe" in such theories. With topics like this, that aren't falsifiable (as Mark comments on, above), I do my best to neither believe or disbelieve, myself. It seems much of society has lost the ability to ponder an idea, even an apparently bizarre one, such as this, without committing to either outright belief or disbelief. I just remain neutrally skeptical, suspending judgement for the time being... at least until I can learn more of it...."

Yeah, I totally agree society has gone mad and most have lost the ability to ponder ideas without over-reactions.

Sorry for ambiguity - what I meant was I used to believe in such theories as the book above I posted.

Now I'm more neutral about stuff. And like you, I'll ponder anything or at least most ideas without instantly dismissing. At least I try to do that.

If I recall my philosophy correctly, the kind of neutral skepticism we're talking about here is Pyrrhonian skepticism - the suspension of judgement.

It doesn't seem like the "skeptic community" follows this tradition, these days, and is one of my bigger criticisms of that particular group. Although I suppose it's somewhat off-topic, I still think most would likely resort to outright ridicule for most of the threads in this group.

What I really think, is that most of these so-called skeptics have enough imagination for reality, as it truly is. I have a nagging feeling it's far more bizarre that anyone really imagines. Of course, reading deep enough into Fortean topics gives one this distinct impression.

As for society gone mad, I think it's lost its damn collective mind in a number of ways, not just that one. And, as for the ambiguity, I was fairly sure you meant "belief" as in active belief, as opposed to the neutral pondering we spoke of.

What a very interesting idea! I used to be a firm believer in reincarnation, at the same time as being an evangelical Christian. I am still a Christian, & I find the idea of the Soul Trap interesting, but very similar to some strains of Gnosticism!

Debby, while I am not Christian, much less evangelical, I do tend to agree with Christians on many fundamental moral stances. I have no particular label for my worldview, but from a philosophical standpoint, might be described as a combination of pantheism and panpsychism, with idealism/non-materialism as an underpinning concept.

As for reincarnation itself, I don't believe the mind is physical, of course (if it were physical, this wouldn't be compatible with idealism, nor even Christianity), and perhaps part of some kind of eternal cycle. The possibility that this cycle has somehow been forced on us is what concerns me.

A single nagging question bothers me. If reincarnation is real, as I think it is, and we have had past lives, which is a given with the concept, then why can't we remember them? Granted, some people say they can, but most of us don't. Are these past memories being erased for some unseen purpose??

It's a disturbing possibility.

This happens all over the world and it's mysterious, tho not necessarily past lives per say. There could be other explanations...

Extraordinary cases of children remembering their past lives and proving it https://www.nexusnewsfeed.com/article...

The soul trap sounds similar to Samsara from what I can tell. Gautama Buddha created the 4 Noble Truths in reference to this problem-a way to understand and escape the cycle of reincarnation....I will definitely look into this as it’s a fascinating alternate take on the age old question: how do we transcend the mundane into a higher plane of existence, or in Buddha’s view, snuff ourselves out so as not to repeat the vicious cycle endlessly.