Underground Knowledge — A discussion group discussion

Iain wrote: "...Remember they are programming AI just now using a two-state solution(binary); expect different implementations in the future where there's a multitude of states, i.e. Quantum Computing or even DNA computing..."

I don't know much about Quantum/DNA computing (and that's an exaggeration probably!) but I will google those when I can... I have long thought we are in the infancy of computer technology now, though what we have is quite cool I sometimes wistfully think of the future I likely will not see when the next generation will arrive (not because of AI necessarily, I just love the tools that computers make available generally). Also I must find time to follow the numerous and fascinating links... :/

Scire wrote: "I think our bio-mechanical makeup(beyond just the brain) working in tandem acts as a conductor and conduit to consciousness internally and externally, and AI appears to me to be only emulating a subset of that ability and errs mainly on predictive calculation, and isn't equipped to harness the features of the brain or mind that transgress mere algorithm and computation.

I think science has us thinking about this problem in a mechanistic way, when it might need a paradigm shift in scientific enquiry to answer this question?."

You reply quickly, I must go, but I would also need to think on that before I could reply meaningfully anyway. As always, fascinating :)

Watched that last interview on Musk and AI. Strikes me he's proposing AI and transhumanism (albeit benign forms) while supposedly resisting it.

Iain wrote: "I think he feels it's a Hobson's Choice, that there is no other way to compete. He might, sadly might be right. Unless there's another way where we don't have to compete at all?"

How about we resist transhumanism, stay 100% human, go Old School, and see if the robots find us too unpredictable?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8by5e...

Iain wrote: "Do it Jersey 'Joe' Walcott style :) ..."

That movement could make even the best robot malfunction.

I'm in :D

(To the robots: kidding!)

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "I think he feels it's a Hobson's Choice, that there is no other way to compete. He might, sadly might be right. Unless there's another way where we don't have to compete at all?"

How ..."

How to Create Machine Superintelligence: A Quick Journey through Classical/Quantum Computing, Artificial Intelligence, Machine Learning, and Neural Networks

Yes, AI is going to get very advanced in facial recognition

So how will that impact the world?

And how about in the job market?
Some people with certain facial types might be assessed more negatively by AI and be less likely to get work?

Prediction Machines: The Simple Economics of Artificial Intelligence

Hey Iain, I read the start of that New Scientist article (won't let me read more without a subscription) and it is astonishing how they appear to be on the verge of creating human babies with an egg or sperm.

How does it relate to AI tho?

I believe you, mate. Just trying to wrap my head around it all (you're light years ahead of me researching this stuff)

So are you basically talking synthetic humans? Or Cyborgs?

And if we meet one in the street, could we tell them apart from natural born humans?

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Iain wrote: "Of course, this would come from the 'trickle-down' fron the military industrial complex. Or maybe AI can provide the potential wgere we don't have to rely on that, at all? ..."

beats me, but then again I haven't study what futurists are predicting where AI, whereas it sounds like you have.

So what's your best guess, Iain? You think the military will keep the best of AI to themselves?

Welsh Dragons... Luck of the Welsh... Wales, home of the Brave!

(I just mixed up all the Celtic nations to illustrate how I think your crazy Celtic dialects will confuse AI!!)

Iain wrote: "Din ye worry aboot at!"

AI may solve the mysteries of the Universe, but it'll never figure out what the hell you Celts are on about!

AI-Robots 'With Feelings' Could be Granted Human Rights, Scientists Believe https://sputniknews.com/science/20181...

Malfunction? Or was it angered by something?

Chinese Robot Stabs Factory Employee in Near-Fatal Malfunction – Reports https://sputniknews.com/asia/20181215...

Iain wrote: "Makes you think though: if they ever have a breakthrough in making a machine that's sentient, what would that then entail regarding its rights?"

Answer: Bicentennial Man!
Full rights...Uh oh, equality for all!

I still think tho there may be a difference between being sentient and having consciousness. Don't reckon consciousness can be manufactured...

Iain wrote: "Trying to think why you would want something that's pretty much developed to perform and serve rote functions and purposes having the ability to ponder the meaning of its own life and life in general? ..."

Ditto. I don't get that. It seems an unnecessary risk that some nerd without philosophical thinking skills would dream up!

AI Makes Personal Privacy a Matter of National Strategy https://worldview.stratfor.com/articl...

Iain wrote: "The irony today, contrary to that report on the incentive to pry into people's lives unjustly, is the use of AI in this sphere is indeed largely predicated on financial motivations, at the expense ..."

What happens when citizens start rebelling against the bots and start spying on the bots??

Questions about consent loom after tech brothel auctions off robot’s virginity for $10K https://thenextweb.com/syndication/20...

Speaking of Artificial Intelligence, check out the Venus Project for those who haven't yet. Almost made a social movement until I bumped into this!

Uh oh...

AI Hid Data From Researchers https://www.lifehacker.com.au/2019/01...
Research from Stanford and Google found that a machine learning agent that was taking aerial images and constructing maps was "hiding" information in “a nearly imperceptible, high-frequency signal".

Iain wrote: "Wow!!! I wonder what the military and naval police are gonna do about their spy satellites being used for illicit purposes by artificial insiders?"

I thought the AI agents weren't meant to start rebelling until about 2059!

I hope the military and intel agents are also keeping one eye on artificial enemies and not just foreign human enemies.

Imagine if some of these robots have no real goal but just enjoy scheming in a Machiavellian way? And also imagine if they all start communicating with each other...And the bad ones influence the others, kinda like when good kids start hanging out with unruly kids...

Quantum Computing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum...

Quantum computing is computing using quantum-mechanical phenomena, such as superposition and entanglement.[1] A quantum computer is a device that performs quantum computing. Such a computer is completely different from binary digital electronic computers based on transistors and capacitors. Whereas common digital computing requires that the data be encoded into binary digits (bits), each of which is always in one of two definite states (0 or 1), quantum computation uses quantum bits or qubits, which can be in superpositions of states. A quantum Turing machine is a theoretical model of such a computer and is also known as the universal quantum computer. The field of quantum computing was initiated by the work of Paul Benioff[2] and Yuri Manin in 1980,[3] Richard Feynman in 1982,[4] and David Deutsch in 1985.[5]

As of 2018, the development of actual quantum computers is still in its infancy, but experiments have been carried out in which quantum computational operations were executed on a very small number of quantum bits.[6] Both practical and theoretical research continues, and many national governments and military agencies are funding quantum computing research in additional effort to develop quantum computers for civilian, business, trade, environmental and national security purposes, such as cryptanalysis.[7] Noisy devices with a small number of qubits, also dubbed noisy intermediate-scale quantum (NISQ) devices by Prof. John Preskill,[8] have been developed by a number of companies, including IBM, Intel, and Google.[9] IBM has made 5-qubit and 16-qubit quantum computing devices available to the public for experiments via the cloud on the IBM Q Experience. D-Wave Systems has been developing their own version of a quantum computer that uses annealing.[10]

Large-scale quantum computers would theoretically be able to solve certain problems much more quickly than any classical computers that use even the best currently known algorithms, like integer factorization using Shor's algorithm (which is a quantum algorithm) and the simulation of quantum many-body systems. There exist quantum algorithms, such as Simon's algorithm, that run faster than any possible probabilistic classical algorithm.[11] A classical computer could in principle (with exponential resources) simulate a quantum algorithm, as quantum computation does not violate the Church–Turing thesis.[12]:202 On the other hand, quantum computers may be able to efficiently solve problems which are not practically feasible on classical computers.

Quantum https://ai.google/research/teams/appl...
A research effort from Google AI that aims to build quantum processors and develop novel quantum algorithms to dramatically accelerate computational tasks for machine learning.

"Advancing AI for everyone" is Ai Google's motto...

see? utopia!

https://ai.google/

No way man!
AI is everyone's best friend....or at least for animals

Animal testing is next to be replaced by artificial intelligence https://www.artificialintelligence-ne...

Ah! Amazing news. Have you guys read Origin? It's very believable.

Alexis wrote: "Ah! Amazing news. Have you guys read Origin? It's very believable."

No. Does Dan Brown mention AI?
Or was the book written by AI? :)

Never mind killer robots—here are six real AI dangers to watch out for in 2019 https://www.technologyreview.com/s/61...
Last year a string of controversies revealed a darker (and dumber) side to artificial intelligence.

CES 2019: A peek into IBM's quantum computing plans https://www.techrepublic.com/article/...
At CES 2019, IBM announced the IBM Q System One, an integrated quantum computing system.

This new book will be published soon...

Deep Medicine: How Artificial Intelligence Can Make Healthcare Human Again

I'm not sure if it was on a news site or not (please correct me if I'm wrong) but didn't an AI murder some people last year?

Again, just something I heard, it might not be true but wanted to see if anyone else had heard a similar thing? x

No but a couple people were killed by industrial robots.

Dax wrote: "I'm not sure if it was on a news site or not (please correct me if I'm wrong) but didn't an AI murder some people last year?

Again, just something I heard, it might not be true but wanted to see i..."

Perhaps we should be worried about this-
https://youtu.be/-JlxuQ7tPgQ

There was also the Chinese guy in the porcelain factory that got impaled by a robot (he survived) -- I'd link it but the pics are pretty gruesome...

To your point, these are better characterized as industrial accidents -- they have more in common with farmers getting their arms caught in threshers than our maybe dystopian future. But if the machines are technically "robots," yep, the tabloids will turn them into click bait ...

Iain wrote: "I heard tha too Kirsten. Stating the obvious here, but need to clarify that the tech was installing a robot and never followed protocol during an installation. More human error than machine."

Have y'all seen this one? "all-electric, battery powered, full-body industrial exoskeleton robotic system that aims to improve safety, productivity and efficiency for workers in the construction industry..."

https://canada.constructconnect.com/d...

Life imitating art & all that :)

I'm working on a story premise where the cyborgs are built from the inside out, grinder style: miniaturized devices implanted under the skin that combine sensors with nano-technology to stimulate neurotransmitter receptors to influence behaviors ... paired with external mass-deployed AI for xtra drama. My cyborgs won't be soldiers so no fight scenes alas. Just highly expendable since our their AI master will view them with about as much respect as we afford lab rats. It'll be a cheerful tale ...

ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IS GOING TO SUPERCHARGE SURVEILLANCE https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/23/16...
What happens when digital eyes get the brains to match?

How AI and Quantum Computing May Alter Humanity’s Future
https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/bl...
Physics, AI, and the future.

Artificial intelligence will become the next new human right
https://www.zdnet.com/article/artific...

IBM launches commercial quantum computing – we’re not ready for what comes next https://theconversation.com/ibm-launc...

Imagine if the AI computer assistant in your home one day patronizes you like this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8c...

China is home to 17 of the top 20 academic institutions involving patenting artificial intelligence, Reuters reported. https://thehill.com/policy/technology...

It's alive!!!!!!

"The robot initially has no clue about its shape or functioning, but after a brief period of ‘babbling’ and intensive computing, it creates its own self-simulation ...

"To test whether the self-model could detect damage to itself, the researchers 3D printed a deformed part to simulate damage and the robot was able to detect the change and re-train its self-model."

https://worldindustrialreporter.com/c...

AI STUDY: THERE’S A THIRD UNKNOWN ANCESTOR IN THE HUMAN GENOME https://gizadeathstar.com/2019/02/ai-...