Underground Knowledge — A discussion group discussion

I am saddened to report that my state has voted for four more years of con-vid. Actually most of us voted against but the two biggest cities love the mandates and restrictions so much they demanded it go on.

Has anyone else noticed many if not most symptoms associated with C19 vaccine injuries mirror, or at least resemble, symptoms associated with so-called Long Covid?

I say "so-called" because I suspect Long Covid is a trumped-up thingy or, at the very least, a condition no worse than lingering flu. Not that the flu or lingering flu isn't necessarily dangerous, but it's something Mankind has learned to live with over Millennia - and guess what, we're still here!

I suspect Long Covid is a premeditated distraction to divert attention away from vaccine injuries.

I thought "long covid" was just something made up to keep the believers scared, like our dear friend Carmen who thought covid was "over."

It's basically an "auto-renewal" so they don't have to keep saying covid is acting up again every few months.

So you thought the global response to the C19 pandemic was bad, huh?

Well, brace yourself...

The WHO proposes a new global pandemic treaty, effectively taking independent decision-making away from sovereign countries and placing control with Tedros.

It's all explained crystal clear here...
https://preventgenocide2030.org/docum...

If you value medical freedom, p-l-e-a-s-e spread the word.

Regarding the proposed global pandemic treaty, a friend of mine sums the situ up very concisely as follows (unabridged):

"There has never been a point of time in history that has facilitated the global manipulation of humans, as much as the present time.

The Covid pandemic has been in several ways the testing ground for governments and organisations across the world, to impose ruthless regulation and compliance.

Governments became heady with the authoritarian power during the pandemic and used that power to shut out and shut down people, businesses, borders and life as we know it.

The rules of engagement are substantially different in a post- Covid world.

Governments, politicians and the uber powerful now have five tools to ensure global control: Pandemics, Technology, Media, War and big Pharma. The next imminent global disruptor will be AI.

The control of these tools ensures the control of humanity.

The global Pandemic Treaty is not about having a universal health response. It is about ensuring that the global channels and movement of enormous wealth, global compliance and control are in the hands of favoured stakeholders."

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I couldn't have put it any better myself.

Hi Lance, regarding your messages 1557 and 1558:

Frankly, I don’t know what’s right or wrong any more. In my youth, I thought I knew everything. Now it’s all shades of grey.

On the one hand, I see the importance of human freedom and human rights. I also see the abuse of power by the WHO and governments, not to mention the greed of pharmaceutical companies controlling them.
On the other hand, I don’t think a seriously-infected person has the right to infect others.

To give a clear example: does a person infected with Ebola, say, have the right to spread the disease among the general population? Where do you draw the line? Shouldn’t there be some form of HONEST control above the individual’s rights?

I’m not saying you’re wrong, Lance: I learnt a lot from this group. I’m just looking for wisdom through discussion.
Exactly what action would you recommend for ‘authorities’ of any sort in my hypothetical case above?
Would you recommend isolation of the sick person, or not?
That’s infringing on human rights, no?

Best regards,
Carmel.

One quick comment Carmell:

Covid-19 cannot be compared to Ebola. The former's IFR (Infection Fatality Rate) is no higher than flu's IFR in a bad flu season - and we don't lock down or impose vaccine mandates or turn the world upside down for the flu, do we?

Covid's high infection rate is exaggerated by the PCR testing regime, which many scientists, doctors and immunologists (ala Michael Yeadon, Robert Malone etc. etc.) were highly critical of from the very start (early 2020), shows that more people contract Covid - i.e. more than would show up as having measles or mumps under historic PCR testing regimes. Thus more 'victims' tick the Covid box when they're hospitalised or when they die.

Incidentally, the aforementioned Yeadon is former chief scientist of Pfizer and Malone is co-founder of the ("new, experimental") mRNA technology that underpins the Covid vaccines.

Finally, on the grounds that if something looks, swims, waddles and quacks like a duck it's a furkin' duck, I believe Covid is just another flu virus,

Carmel, secondly...

My recommendation to the authorities is simply this:

STOP MISLEADING US & STOP ALLOWING THE WHO TO DICTATE YOUR RESPONSE TO THIS & FUTURE PANDEMICS!

As for isolating people, if they have Ebola virus or smallpox YES isolate them. If they have Covid or any other flu virus, suggest they stay home, have warm lemon drinks and plenty of Vit. C until they feel better.

Above all, don't let us lose faith in our immune system. You know, that wonderful, God-given system that has sustained Mankind through countless pandemics and viruses over millennia.

Hi Lance:

I think you hit the nail on the head when, in your message 1561, you wrote, “Stop misleading us & stop allowing the WHO to dictate your response to this and future pandemics!”
I would say this is the self-adopted mandate of this group: to look for the TRUTH in every sector of humanity—congratulations!

Despite my initial disagreement, I now recognize that COVID19 is more like an aggressive flu, and not as dangerous as portrayed by the WHO.
But that’s not what I’m trying to question, here: so I might be somewhat out-of-line with respect to this topic.

What struck me was the declaration of ‘human rights’ linked to your message 1557.
In particular, the first statement under ‘Unalienable Rights,’ which states, “The Importance of Individual Health over Public Health: The good of any people is the sum total of the benefits enjoyed by each and every individual. The unalienable rights of every individual, their personal sovereignty and their bodily autonomy supersede the privileges of any and all international organizations, nations, states, provinces, cities, or other groups that derive their existence from We, The People of the World.”
I’m not sure I agree with this statement completely.
Unless I am misinterpreting your statement in message 1561, “As for isolating people, if they have Ebola virus or smallpox YES isolate them,” you too disagree with this so-called “unalienable right.”
Read carefully what it states: “their bodily autonomy supersede the privileges of any and all international organizations, nations, states, provinces, cities, or other groups”
As I stated before in my message 1559, “Frankly, I don’t know what’s right or wrong any more.”

As for the corruptness of the WHO, I agree with you 100%.
But then so are police forces across the globe: would you rather, then, do without them? We would have murders, rapes, and lootings in every street corner.
Moreover, everyone knows politicians and governments are corrupt; but without them, we would have anarchy.
Many hospitals, doctors, and nurses were found guilty of corruption: should we have none of them too?
We find corruption in the Church as well: would we be better off without any spiritual guidance for anyone?
Likewise, the WHO and the United Nations, do we need them as the lesser of evils?
I repeat, “Frankly, I don’t know what’s right or wrong any more.”

Best regards,
Carmel.

PS
Let me know when you think I’ve strayed too far off topic.

Carmel - Your detailed message flags one of the BIG issues facing us... Information overload, corporatization of every aspect of daily life (our health included), fast-changing times, new challenges (AI, G5, military conflicts, pandemics, mRNA technologies etc. etc.) and a world most of us no longer recognize.

Sorry I don't have time to reply in depth as am currently battling deadlines on my latest novel. Will get back later.

Thanks again.

Lance

“As for the corruptness of the WHO, I agree with you 100%.”
Solution would be not giving them complete control, making them accountable.

“But then so are police forces across the globe: would you rather, then, do without them?”
Answer lies within you - everywhere in the world there are forces and judicial law. If some day you were told a treaty is being signed where the police forces have full rights and can shoot or hang anyone they find guilty then yes you would say we are better off without them.

Ashish wrote: "“As for the corruptness of the WHO, I agree with you 100%.”
Solution would be not giving them complete control, making them accountable.

“But then so are police forces across the globe: would you ..."

Well said Ashish.

Hi Ashish:
I apologize for the delay in replying.

In your message 1564, you wrote, “Solution would be not giving them complete control, making them accountable.” Exactly how do you propose to do this? Perhaps I haven’t explained myself clearly enough.

When we elect government, we give them full authority/control for five-odd years: we don’t have much say in the way they govern us in that period; meanwhile they can do a lot of damage in five years. On the other hand, I don’t think it’s wise to abolish all governments because it will lead to anarchy: likewise the WHO.

We have dodged the bullet with COVID19, but there’s nothing to stop a devastating global pandemic, like Ebola or smallpox, hitting us. Should such a scenario happen, time will be of the essence: there would be no time to consult the United Nations, say, to figure out what to do; we must rely on what ‘experts’ say. In other words, I think, we must give the WHO full control in the case of what THEY DEEM an emergency while they are in power, and we must also accept the possibility of their making the wrong call. Of course, collusion for monetary gain may occur, but we must take that risk: the same way we take the risk with cops’ going sour. If you don’t agree, I don’t see the point of having the WHO.

So, OK, there’s no doubt the WHO screwed up dealing with COVID19. Should we abolish it altogether and forget about the concept? Should we lay everyone off and hire new ‘experts’? Should we fire all management personnel and promote lower echelons. Or do we try to look for the perpetrators one by one? What do you propose?

Regards,
Carmel.

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