Small Government Book Fan Club discussion

Speaking of Vox Day… from his blog:
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/01/bu...

We had a Sad Puppies thread in this group last year, so you may want to read up on that first. Or not. Works either way.

That is kinda funny. Makes me wonder how well they all know each other.

Pretty well, from what I can see online. LOTs of inside jokes going on, and they have worked out their differences very nicely as well.

John C. Wright is not on FB, but he does sometimes blogs in support, and when he does it's frigging fabulous.

Also except for Wright they're all Baen writers, so they have lots in common.

Day isn't a Baen writer either.

Oh Ok. His covers look very much like Baen covers, so I assumed.

Published by Castalia House, which Day either partly or wholly owns, and which modeled itself after Baen.

Has anyone here read Day's novels? I have a couple from free giveaways but haven't tried them yet.

No, but I've heard good things about Throne of Bones.

I think he also writes Christian YA fantasy as Theodore Beale.

Christian YA? Are we talking about the same guy?

LOL As far as I know that's his real name and those are the books that come up. Also the books get 1 star reviews because the author is a terrible racist, so certainly seems to be the case.

The guy has got layers.

Greyweather may know more as our resident scifi guru :)

Have some curiosity abt. Vox Day, but I truly don't want to read racist material.

IF you're curious, look up his short story that Larry Correia put up for Sad Puppies 2 nomination. This way you're not spending big bucks and no way Larry would recommend anything even remotely racist. For that matter the fact that Larry Correia and Sarah Hoyt are in his circle tells me his racism is overstated and he just ticked off the wrong people.

Masha wrote: "IF you're curious, look up his short story that Larry Correia put up for Sad Puppies 2 nomination. This way you're not spending big bucks and no way Larry would recommend anything even remotely rac..."

Isn't it something how your reputation can be savaged. Especially if you don't have the means to defend it.

Yep. That's why I find it extra funny that he turned out to be majority Native American by genetic testing, and therefore incapable of racism according to the Prog crowd.

Of course accusing Brandon Sanderson of being anti-gay JUST because he shares a religion with Orson Scott Card (who BTW is also not anti-gay) is not bigoted at all. But I digress.

Vox makes some brilliant points quite frequently, but he (and his blog followers) make comments about race that make me uncomfortable. Of course we've all (myself included) been conditioned to be hyper-sensitive to bigotry. I get that. But his attitude seems to be, "It's genetically impossible for diverse ethnic groups to coexist, so all you non-Europeans need to go back where you came from and let the white folks fix western civilization."

Minorities have been given a pass on their racist attitudes for a long time. I'll admit it's kind of disturbing to see white folks (and Vox comes off like a cracker-wannabe, despite his heritage) now matching that tribalism from the other direction.

I never thought we'd be so polarized along racial lines. And I never thought I'd want to put this kind of stuff in a novel. Two years ago I wouldn't have imagined it. But I'm doing it, now.

I never heard of him till the whole SFWA fiasco, and I pretty much only read his blog when one of my FB friends links it which may be why I never first hand read his Euro-Centrist stuff but I do know it's out there. I have a few other writers on my FB friends list who sometimes say stuff that makes me uncomfortable (Tom Kratman often comes off as sexist and Michael Z Williamson is a militant atheist) but I respect them as people and have learned a lot from their blogs/FB posts. But that's neither here nor there. What I object to is wholesale attempt at ruining authors' careers because disagreements or simple associations with the "wrong" people.

Yeah, I'm with you on the guilt by association deal. And usually the "wrong" people are those who've never said or done anything racist--they just made too effective an argument or criticized something/somebody enjoying protection from criticism due to affiliation and/or birthright.

Thing is, if the author writes good books and doesn't shove offensive stuff down the reader's throat, who cares what his private views are? Eric Flynt is a known Communist but he writes good books, and conservative authors are not just friendly with him, they do common projects. But there's a large segment of vocal people in SFF community who want every conservative or anyone who has ever said anything that might have sounded conservative run out of town.

Near as I can tell, he's a Euro-Supremacist (i.e. European culture is the best) and yeah, he's big on fighting cultural relativism. Larry Correia and Sarah Hoyt have had serious disagreements with him, but remained friends so that's good enough for me until I see something otherwise. The big flap that got him expelled from SFWA was the usual being taken out of context. Yes, he said something harsh, but it was in response to an equally harsh argument. Since the opponent was a black woman with some pull, fill in the blanks.

Again, I'm probably too sensitive to it, but Vox seems to push the Euro-supremacy thing too far sometimes. The one specific thing I can remember right now (Vlad jarred my memory by mentioning his exes) is he used the expression "mudsharking" for mescigenation (or interracial dating). Seems pretty uncalled for to me, and purposely chosen to piss people off.

A lot of times what he says is true regarding genetic correlation to IQ and so forth. But again, I'm over-sensitive probably. And the way he harps on it makes me uncomfortable. Just my two cents.

He just had two brilliant blog posts about moderates recently. I think we'll be quoting/linking in tomorrow's post at Virtual Pulp.

Right, the IQ stuff; forgot about that. Tom Kratman has said pretty much the same (actually a lot of the same, but he's nicer about it). As I said, he is wrong on some things, and dose occasionally says offensive stuff. That's no excuse for what what done to him at SFWA, or for that matter how many people got branded racists and fascists just by association because they protested the process. OTOH that writer who covered up for her child molester husband? Crickets.

Henry, you want to post that blog in a separate thread? I'm sure some members here might be interested, considering current events.

I'm curious enough now to check out the site. I'd say American culture (some aspects) is superior to Euro. Euro-culture is too likely to bow to officials of the State, and sanctions too much state power for my taste.

That was Sarah Hoyt's point. Original Euro culture that was brought over to America was basically the Puritans, not exactly big on freedom.

Vox Day's site is incredibly good, and took me to many neat places, including an interview w/ Umberto Eco.

You're right--I've seen the Marxists use those tactics against too many people who have never said or done anything racist (or even racially "insensitive"), nor associated with anyone who has.

I'm sure everyone here has seen it over and over.

Anyway, yeah: be glad to post a link here. Probably tomorrow afternoon.

Tried out Vox Day's website. Turned out to be really rich, with interesting interviews. Took me to neat places