Underground Knowledge — A discussion group discussion

Carmen wrote: "Robins' is a Bernie Bro, James. His guilt goes back to demonizing Hillary Clinton, which led to the election of Donald Trump..."

Pretty sure Old Hillary demonized herself repeatedly by her own actions...Nobody needs to sell the "Hillary is a demon" idea, that sells itself!

James wrote: "
Pretty sure Old Hillary demonized herself repeatedly..."

Your theory makes no sense, James.

Trump got elected by demonizing Hillary Clinton, who was a sure win before Trump's negative campaign against her.

Welcome K, sounds like you're on the ball with this covid scam.
I just wonder what the next scam will be as there will undoubtedly be one they have only just fired their first round?
We should all question the political reasons for actions i.e energy crisis, inflation etc all suspect imo. Schwab may be right (if we let him/them) we won't have anything, not so sure about being happy about it though.

yeah Beth The UN United Nation do not stop and their Agenda 21/2030. They want to get their job done for 2030 I mean NWO. The next step can be Ukrainian war expansion .

K. wrote: "yeah Beth The UN United Nation do not stop and their Agenda 21/2030. They want to get their job done for 2030 I mean NWO. The next step can be Ukrainian war expansion ."

Know where you are coming from Deep state etc..it will only stop when the people have had enough and have opened their eyes. Then keep your head down!!

Not sure if it was you who wanted to know more of QANON (a group of military etc whistle blowers) but try exopolitics.org run by Dr Michael Salla worth a look.

K. wrote: "yeah Beth The UN United Nation do not stop and their Agenda 21/2030. They want to get their job done for 2030 I mean NWO. The next step can be Ukrainian war expansion ."

The UN does NOT want this war, K.
In October, 2022, 143 UN members voted for Russia to stop their war in Ukraine. Only 5 UN members voted for Russia to continue the war.

Carmen, are you seriously suggesting that Biden and the US military industrial complex don't want this war? If so, why did Biden prevent Zelenskyy from meeting Putin for peace talks back in March. The evil old man is coining it in, that's why!

Back on topic, it's easy for the unvaccinated to survive in this era. Simply don't take the vaccine and you'll be fine 😀

Carmen wrote: "K. wrote: "yeah Beth The UN United Nation do not stop and their Agenda 21/2030. They want to get their job done for 2030 I mean NWO. The next step can be Ukrainian war expansion ."

The UN does NOT..."
HAHA so what the politicians say or other government members is true ? Dosent matter what they vote or not vote. The voting system is controlled anyway . Like the politicians are in the certain position because ruling elite want it like that . Politician have lied and the all states stands up and running because of lies it weakens and breaks when they start to talk the truth . What matters really is their actions and changes not the bullshit they says the same is with people Actions what counts not the Talk .

Sorry Carmen but I don't think you realise just what is going on in the U.S. and the world. We are being conned those in charge aren't the ones voted in but the elites/cabal+. Honestly if you did some serious research you eyes would pop, Schwab actual had the confidence to come out and say "you will have nothing and be happy" this is just an indication of their plans for the ordinary person. Is this really what you want for your children and grandchildren...slavery in other words, control by the few 1% the NWO isn't fiction it's truth and they are now starting to show their hand if you can see through their lies and propaganda. Why do you really think we have this false energy crisis and inflation if not to destroy? Ever heard of the great reset and the Georgia stones check them out you may be surprised. (that's just the start too)
I'm British but it's the same here. So take care and don't be fooled.

Beau wrote: "Carmen, are you seriously suggesting that Biden and the US military industrial complex don't want this war? If so, why did Biden prevent Zelenskyy from meeting Putin for peace talks back in March. ..."

Yup, the US military industrial complex have never wanted or needed a war so badly. Was interesting how once they had removed the isolationist Trump, the usual war machine that existed under Obama, Bush, and Clinton, continued as if those 4 years of international peace under Trump had never happened. It started within weeks of Biden getting into office...

War is the biggest business of all.

Beau wrote: "Back on topic, it's easy for the unvaccinated to survive in this era. Simply don't take the vaccine and you'll be fine 😀 ..."

Pretty much, although when I started this thread a lot of unvaccinated faced terrible persecution -- many had lost their jobs, in some cases their homes, others couldn't leave their homes, and unaware vaccinated people like Carmen were encouraging hate towards us :)

Since then, I'm pleased that pro-freedom people (including some vaccinated) have fought for our freedoms and right to say "my body, my choice"!

Beau wrote: "Carmen, are you seriously suggesting that Biden and the US military industrial complex don't want this war? If so, why did Biden prevent Zelenskyy from meeting Putin for peace talks back in March. ..."

Yes, Beau, Biden wanted to get out of Afghanistan back when he was Vice-President to Obama. When Biden became president in 2021, he had a choice to escalate or get out. He got out.

Meanwhile, Trump was allowing Putin to get his way in Ukraine. Trump got impeached for using US money allocated for Ukraine for his own personal political benefit.

Putin was hoping Trump would get reelected in 2020, so he could just take over Ukraine without a fight. And Putin didn't expect much of a fight when he cruelly invaded in February. Zelensky made a good argument that Putin wants to not only invade Ukraine, but destroy NATO by invading Poland, etc. Biden took the leadership to help European free nations to defend Ukraine and therefore themselves.

K. wrote: "Dosent matter what they vote or not vote. The voting system is controlled anyway"

Well, K, I believe in democracy. Trump supporters don't care how people vote. So they violently attacked the US Capitol on January 6, 2021 hoping for the votes to not be counted. For me, that is barbaric.

James wrote: "Was interesting how once they had removed the isolationist Trump, the usual war machine that existed under Obama, Bush, and Clinton, continued as if those 4 years of international peace under Trump had never happened."

Trump an isolationist, James? LOL have you been fooled!!!!

I would be laughing if this were not so serious. Trump has gone mad with power and was always talking about starting a nuclear war. Hence his love affair with the North Korean despot.

Trump made it clear he would not stand in the way of Putin invading Ukraine and destroying peace in Eastern Europe. And now, Trump is being investigating for stealing US top secret documents that puts the US and the world in danger.

James wrote: "I'm pleased that pro-freedom people (including some vaccinated) have fought for our freedoms and right to say "my body, my choice."

James, the 'pro-choice' movement is about abortion rights, not vaccines. And only totalitarian governments like China have forced women to have abortions.

Carmen wrote: "James, the 'pro-choice' movement is about abortion rights, not vaccines...."

Originally -- but now it applies to the right for any individual to decide whether they vaccinate their own bodies or not. It's useful to say "my body, my choice" for it illustrates the hypocrisy some people have where they say they are pro-choice re abortion, yet try to force others to get vaccinated. One of the major hypocrisies of this era, in fact.

James wrote: "now it applies to the right for any individual to decide whether they vaccinate their own bodies or not.."

Yes, James, I am aware of all the nonsense coming from the Covidiots. But as I said, I choose to ignore it.

The truth still remains that abortion rights are a big issue in the upcoming elections.

Well said, James. And great work! I was only being facetious ;)

I genuinely hope for the vaccinated sakes that i don't need to eventually start an offshoot thread that reads "How can the vaccinated survive"... :(

I hope so too, James, esp as many of my family, friends and close acquaintances took it. That said, none of them are coming forward for the booster.

2 interesting things...

All of the above group - every single one of them - have had covid since they were vaccinated. Friends,
family and close acquaintances who resisted the vaccine, on the other hand - to a man and woman - have not had it since the vaccines were rolled out.

A relatively small pool of people, yes, but an interesting situation. I'd love to see all the government, media and pharma spin stripped away so we can see if my experience is the norm.

Secondly, I don't know many people who have the inquisitive, questioning minds of an undergrounder. They tend to just get on with their lives and believe what the BBC tells them. However, of late, even the most innocuous of these 'normies' have started to turn basic conversations around to big political questions.

'Something's not quite right,' you'll hear them say. 'It just doesn't feel right' and 'they're got something planned, haven't they?' are 2 other popular phrases.

These people aren't undergrounders. They have never heard of Klaus Schwab, the Great Reset or Agenda 30, but they still recognise that something really big, something none of us have seen before is afoot. Something is being planned and they can feel it in their bones. They're not paranoid either. Simply...

They are right.

Whether it's the response to covid, war in Ukraine, zero carbon, the European migrant crisis or any other major political issue, all roads - every single one of them - now lead to Davos and the Great Reset.

Agree Beau. I don't know many unvaccinated who got Covid. Just a couple. And i know many hundreds. But again, has this virus ever been scientifically isolated? Further we go they using the term flu more in association with it. Flu like symptoms over and over. Also there was Flurona... They tried to push that one for a while... But it seemed like a flop like Monkey Pox... The public losing their fear and hysteria now

On the subject of discrimination against the unvaccinated and considering how a few of the threads have mentioned the conflict in Ukraine, consider the attitude of these 2 world leaders to the vaccine (obviously, I'm paraphrasing them)...

Putin - here is the vaccine. We recommend it but whether you take it or not is your decision.

Biden - here is the vaccine. You will take it or we will make your life very difficult. We will take away your job, your freedoms and your right to see your family and friends, if you don't comply. We will inject your children with it and if you don't like it then, well...you're just an evil person who wants to kill your granny, aren't you?

Which of these 2 presidents sounds like the rational one? Come on, be honest.

And Americans, in particular, if you don't believe what the second guy told you about the vaccine, what makes you so sure he's telling you the truth about Ukraine?

Or anything else, for that matter.

True and let's not forget when Biden said "this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated", which was obviously pure horseshit.

Yes, I accept that point, James. You may well be right. I have heard some virologists say the same. Novel virus or rebranded flu, the response to it was a deceitful disgrace with ulterior motives guiding it every step of the way.

(My last post was in response to the question James raised about whether covid has been isolated.)

Re the 'pandemic of the unvaccinated' - a disgusting lie (Biden clearly knew so at the time) aimed at dividing people and inciting hatred.

Never forget and only forgive when he's called to account for his crimes.

Again well said Beau, all those unnecessary deaths. You can forgive but you'll never forget.

Strange how Putin actually gave his people the choice of having the vax or not.......unlike many other so called free countries!

Beau wrote: "On the subject of discrimination against the unvaccinated and considering how a few of the threads have mentioned the conflict in Ukraine, "

Dear Beau,
I'm sure you know that almost 70% of people in the US and more than 60% of the world population are FULLY vaccinated against Covid-19. And 80% in the US have gotten at least one dose. This is old news.

You state that you rather talk about the Russian war against Ukraine. Well, let's talk. The war in Ukraine is current news. Covid-19 started in 2019 and became a crisis because of Trump's incompetence. But Biden became president in 2021. And now it is 2022, and Covid is OLD NEWS.

Trump have nothing to do with Covid crisis or his incompetence . This is mainstream view you telling about people. Trump like all other presidents are puppets they do what they have told to do. Orders coming in from what you calling Deep State. U never find answers if u only focus on mainstream media bullshit .

Covid became a crisis because of draconian, nonsensical regulations mandated mostly by liberal politicians in blue states and a massive fear campaign that impacted everyone's physical and mental health.

If "covid" is old news then why are there still masked fools everywhere? Why are the plastic shields still up? Why am I required to wear a mask to enter any medical facility (of all places)?

"Covid," the concept, is still going strong, and I expect them to bring it back in full this winter.

LOL there are fools everywhere always will be. No no and no again they can all put their vaccines where the sun doesn't shine.
I also wonder what happened to the million +$ given by people to the Canadian Truckers? Disgusting out and out FRAUD.

Scott wrote: "Covid became a crisis because of draconian, nonsensical regulations mandated mostly by liberal politicians in blue states and a massive fear campaign that impacted everyone's physical and mental he..."

There are other reasons for mandatory masks and these include destroying respiratory health to call it ''Covid-19'' and stuning the brain development of children and the young . Dr. margarite Griesz-Brisson MD, PhD is a Consultant Neurologist and Neurophysiologist and the Founder and Medical Director of the London Neurology and Pain Clinic. Her CV goes down the street and round the corner. She is clearly someone who cares about people and won't parrot the propaganda. Griesz-Brisson has a PhD iin pharmacology, with special interest in neurotoxicology, enviromental medicine, neuroregeneration and neuroplasticity (the way the brain can change in the light of information recieved). She went public in October 2020, with a passionate warning about the effects of mask-wearing laws:

The reinhalation of our exhaled air will without a doubt create oxygen deficency and a flooding of carbon dioxide. We know that the human brain is very sensitive to oxygen deprivation. There are nerve cells for example in the hippocampus that can't be longer than 3 minutes without oxygen - they cannot survive. The acute warning symptoms are headaches, drowsiness, dizziness, issues in concentration , slowing down of reaction time - reaction of cognitive system.

She had this warning of the consequences that were coming if masks weraing continued:

When in ten years ,dementia is going to increase expotentially and the younger generations couldn't reach their god-given potential, it won't help to say ''we dind't need the masks''. I know how damgingoxygen deprivation is for the brain, cardiologists know how damaging it is for the heart, pulmonologists know how damaging it is for the lungs. Oxygen deprivation damages every single organ. Where are our health departments, our health insurance , our medical associations? It would have been their duty to be vehemently against the lockdowns and stop it and stop it from the very beginning.

Why do the medical boards issue punishments to doctors who give people exeptions? Dose the person or the doctor seriously have to prove that oxygen deprivation harms people ? What kind of medicine are our doctors and medical associations representing ? Who is responsible for the crime ? The ones who want to enforce it ?The ones who let it happen and play along, or the ones who don't prevent it ?

The imperative of the hour is personal responsibility .WE are responsible for what we think, not the media. We are rsponsible for what we do , not out superiors. We are responsible for our health, not the World Health Organization. And we are resposible for what happens in our country , not the government.

But surgeons wear masks right ?

Independent studies of mask-wearing have produced a long list of reports detailing mental, emotional and physical dangers.

Surgeons wear masks to stop ''viral particles'' which are so miniscule they can only be seen through and electron microscope. Holes in the masks are significantly bigger that ''viral particles'' and of you sneeze or cough they will breach the mask. I watched incredibly disingenuous ''experiment'' that claimed to prove that masks work in catching ''virus''camera and the mask did block big stuff which stayed inside the mask and against the face to be breathed in or cause infections on the face as we have seen with many children. ''Viral particles'', however , would never have been picked up by the camera as they came through the mask when they are far too small to be seen. The ''experiment'' was therfore disingenuous and useless.

Studies have concluded that wearing masks in operating theathers (and thus elswhere) make no difference to preventing infection while the opposite is true with toxic shite building up in the mask and this had led to an explosion in tooth decay and gum disease dubbed by dentists ''mask mouth''. You might have seen the Internet video of a furious American doctor urging people to take off their masks after four-year-old patient had been rushed to hospital the night before and nearly died with lung infections that doctors sourched to mask wearing. A study in the journal Cancer Discovery found that inhalation of harmful microbes can contribute to advanced stage lung cancer in adults and long-term use of masks can help breed dangerous pathogens. Microbiologists have said frequent mask wearing creates a moist enviroment in which microbes can grow and proliferate before entering the lungs. The Canadian national organisation that provides research and alaysis to entitled decision-makers , said this as long ago as 2013 in a report entitled ''Use of Surcical Masks in the Operating Room: A Review of the Clinical Effectiveness and Guidelines ''. It said:

* No evidence was founf to support the use of surgical face masks to reduce the frequency of surgical site infections.

* No evidence was found on the effectiveness of wearing surgical face masks to protect staff from infectious material in the operating room.

* Guidelines recoomend the use of surgical face masks by stuff in the operating room to protect both operating room staff and patients (despite the lack of evidence).

Ah, yes, the old surgical mask argument; I got that early on when I protested about the mask mandates. Doctors wear them when they are working on open bodies to keep stuff from hitting them in the face and also to keep things from falling in. Nothing to do with viruses.

You don't even have to be a doctor to see that these things are wrong. It's common sense to deduce that breathing in your own respiratory waste, or holding it against your face, can't possibly be a good thing.

The masks also retard children's speech development because they can't see other people's mouths moving. We predicted that and voilà... Of course, the establishment has been trying to dumb us all down for decades so this is probably just the latest move.

These are wise words and true to the core. If people did their own research on mask-wearing and what happens to the body, they would soon take that rubbish off their faces. I have covered it in my book, titled: The Real Truth About Our DNA, and It's in the Table of Contents, under; The Mask Mandate.

Bonaventura wrote: "These are wise words and true to the core. If people did their own research on mask-wearing and what happens to the body, they would soon take that rubbish off their faces. I have covered it in my ..."

Great book too. I tried to leave a 5star and review but for some reason amazon wouldn't let me and I tried lots of times so that's maybe why no reviews yet?

Great post, K. Very interesting. I have read many studies showing the harms caused by gimp masks. They, along with those showing masks' pointlessness, easily outnumber those in favour of them.

That said, who needs studies when it's simple common sense that wearing a mask for a prolonged period of time is bad for the health?

They were only introduced to promote anxiety, fear and compliance. They failed.