Debates discussion

Quote from Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone;
"Lord Voldemort showed me how wrong I was. There is no good and evil, there is only power, and those too weak to seek it..."
-- Quirrel

I found this good quote
“The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist”—Charles Baudelaire
“The second greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he is the good guy”—Ken Ammi”

The quote above doesn't mean I don't believe evil exists.

I do believe evil exists.

Austin wrote: "I found this good quote
“The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist”—Charles Baudelaire
“The second greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the wo..."

yess

Okay this is how I see it....yes Evil does exist...but what is evil exactly? People can say giving disciplining (and I don't mean yelling at your child and beating them and ya know type of stuff, I mean Biblical discipline) your child is Evil. And people say it's all about how you see it. But honestly I don't think it is. Sharing the Gospel then could be "Evil" depending on who you ask you know? God told us what is right and what is wrong. What is good and what is Evil. And He gave us rules about it (In both Old and New Testament. **)
So if you want to know what is good and Evil you can look at the Bible (God's Word) or ask God to show you in your heart!

**Our sermon this morning at church was about how people tend to see the Bible in two ways: Law Passages and Gospel Passages, and long story short that the Law is not always bad, and that the Law is also in the NT and the Gospel is not limited to the NT and really the almost all of the Old Testament is technically Gospel because it points to Jesus and a coming savior

these are 3 short videos I found on the concept of evil. I can give points I got out of each one if you would rather me do that instead of posting them.
Ordinary Men:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL_Xv...

only through hell can you get to haven
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_VSJ...

What is Evil?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqoyQ...

Austin wrote: "I found this good quote
“The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist”—Charles Baudelaire
“The second greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the wo..."

I like those quotes

This is what i heard was a good book on the subject, I have not read it though, it is too scary.
Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland

I agree, evil exists. The world won't have it one day though. It will be contained in hell, but for now it's running rampant.

What would you call people that rape, murder, torture, kidnap, etc, if it weren't evil? Would you just say, "Oh they're just bad." no! They are evil and evilness can't be cured.

Allison wrote: "What would you call people that rape, murder, torture, kidnap, etc, if it weren't evil? Would you just say, "Oh they're just bad." no! They are evil and evilness can't be cured."

yess

Allison wrote: "What would you call people that rape, murder, torture, kidnap, etc, if it weren't evil? Would you just say, "Oh they're just bad." no! They are evil and evilness can't be cured."

Yes rape murder torture and kidnapping is evil. you're right about that, and the Bible talks about it BUT IF the people who did/does those things, turns away from their sin and believes and trusts and puts faith in God, then that technically is a "cure" as you put it.

Kara wrote: "Allison wrote: "What would you call people that rape, murder, torture, kidnap, etc, if it weren't evil? Would you just say, "Oh they're just bad." no! They are evil and evilness can't be cured."

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But that said person had already done something completely awful. How many lives are affected when someone is murdered? Raped? Kidnapped? This person not only hurt one person, but 20+. Even if a man goes to jail for kidnapping, and gets out and ends up doing voluntary community service in his free time, I wouldn't let any child I know near him. Would you?

Kara wrote: "Allison wrote: "What would you call people that rape, murder, torture, kidnap, etc, if it weren't evil? Would you just say, "Oh they're just bad." no! They are evil and evilness can't be cured."

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I agree with you. Everyone has hope for a new start.

Allison wrote: "Kara wrote: "Allison wrote: "What would you call people that rape, murder, torture, kidnap, etc, if it weren't evil? Would you just say, "Oh they're just bad." no! They are evil and evilness can't ..."

Yes, again there are consequences for what they do. but if they TRULY accepted Christ as their Savior, then they are changed. They are born again, they are no longer who they were before they were saved. then yes, I would let my child near them. (But personally, I have trust issues so I wouldn't let my children until I got to know them a bit tho.)

Kara wrote: "Allison wrote: "Kara wrote: "Allison wrote: "What would you call people that rape, murder, torture, kidnap, etc, if it weren't evil? Would you just say, "Oh they're just bad." no! They are evil and..."

Although I personally disagree with you, I understand where you are coming from.

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Okay, I'm sorry, but the fact that this is even a question bewilders me. Yes, of course there is evil in this world. I'm a Christian so of course I believe in Good and Evil, but even someone that doesn't have a Biblical worldview will agree. If there isn't evil in the world then why is there such a thing as morality?

Morality is the principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior. (Google definition)

If evil doesn't exist then why should I strive to be "the best person I can be?". Also if evil doesn't exist, then what would crime be? Would it be considered good? Or would it just be considered something that happens? The latter one, in my opinion, can still be considered evil. Because it's all about YOU. Something that YOU want to do. The Bible tells us that we don't live for ourselves, we live for The Almighty and Wonderful God.

God told us that we had something called free will. Free will is us having the choice to do right or wrong. God's not going to force us to do the right thing, but He'll advise it. Since God gave us that choice, that obviously shows that there is evil in the world. Just by looking at the first few chapters in Genesis we see evil take place.

So yes, evil does exist. And it is VERY real and scary. Satan is constantly trying to pull us away from God, every chance he gets he's gonna use. Whether it's drugs, alcohol, crime, or some other sin, he's gonna use it. Sin is Evil. If you believe in sin, you believe in evil, they're the SAME THING!!!

So yeah, that's about it!

✨ava✨ {Merry CHRISTmas} wrote: "Okay, I'm sorry, but the fact that this is even a question bewilders me. Yes, of course there is evil in this world. I'm a Christian so of course I believe in Good and Evil, but even someone that d..."

YESSSSSSSS!!!

so since we all agree (me included.) Let me play devil's advocate, keeping in mind I don't believe in these arguments so I can only take them so far.

But for example an Atheist might not see evil just power or humans mistreating each other.
There are those that might say that pedophilia is just a sexual orientation and is covered under the LGBT umbrella. That if they are not hurting the child or if the child likes what is happening there is nothing wrong with it.

A Communist may say that there is no such thing as Evil, only oppressors and oppressed. That so long as you have private property I am justified in stealing from you as I am not hurting you, just the lifeless machines or valuables you own.

A fascist may say that murder or Genocide is justified because they are killing the sick and the doomed. Those who have genetic diseases, it is better for everyone to remove them from the gene pool. The lack of cohesion makes the state weak and we must purge by any means necessary those who would slow down progress. That the Ends justifies the means. Who cares how many bodies need to be paved over so long as we reach utopia.

Sorry...what's a fascist?

Fascism:
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

Couldn't find fascist

fascist is someone that believes in fascism. So another definition is a ruler or society that prioritizes safety over everything else. No human rights, no equality, no difference of thought or groups. Just safety.

Ahhh okay, thank you. I was thinking it was someone who judged people by their face XD

XD

haha well they do that in a sort of way.