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Well Catholics believe that purposely taking your own life is a sin, but we don't know if they go to Heaven or Hell. We leave that up to God.

I don't know, but i think they go to hell. You shouldn't take your own life because that is not in your hands. Its in God's hands.
Hopefully that does not offend anyone. I am simply giving my opinion.

I believe that if you believe in Jesus Christ and asked him in to your heart than nothing can sperate you from him. no matter what you do. so so I do believe that they go to haven

I agree with you, Gracel. Whether a person goes to heaven or hell is determined by whether they trust in Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Suicide is a sin and a terrible thing, but it does not mean that person automatically goes to hell.

we are saved by grace if you believe Jesus is Lord, He is the Way, you go to Heaven, If you take your own life I think you go to heaven.
save by grace not by dees. Do the Unborn babies go to heaven?

I agree with you, Liz.

Milena wrote: "we are saved by grace if you believe Jesus is Lord, He is the Way, you go to Heaven, If you take your own life I think you go to heaven.
save by grace not by dees. Do the Unborn babies go to heaven?"


I 100% believe unborn baby's go to haven.
My Mom lost 7 baby's I believe they are in haven waiting for us with Jesus!!!!!

I also believe that unborn babies go to Heaven.

My brother committed suicide when he was 15. he was a Christian I believe that he is in haven!!!!!!!!!!! Sin is sin there is no greater sin or a lesser sin

This is interesting. I think I can see it from both ways, but I personally lean a bit toward they'd go to hell. It would be purposefully killing someone, ending a life. If they'd still go to heaven, why don't we all just kill ourselves and end our suffering on earth? I understand that there are many reasons for suicide, but most (if not all) are because of unhappiness, seemingly no meaning, just discontent in general. God is supposed to fulfill us and complete us. To be our sustenance. It seems like suicide is trying to take matters (these matters being your life) into your own hands and getting things done your way. Our lives are and are supposed to be completely in God's hands and devoted to Him. Instead of fully leaning on Him for understanding and peace, you're just leaving. It's like when you're in an argument with someone (*cough cough* the devil *cough cough*) and you say, "I win! I just win!" That isn't actually winning, it's ending the conversation to try to preserve your dignity, when it actually seems to mess with it.

We must repent of our sin

I agree with you, Isabelle. Murder, even of self, is sinful.

As much as I see where you're coming from Isabelle, I personally believe you still go to heaven if you were meant to anyway. (Yes, this is the point of view of someone who does belive in pre-destination)
I mean, where in scripture does it explicitly says that you go to hell if you commit suicide?
Obviously, it is a sin, because you are actively killing a human, (yourself) and it's injuring your holy temple. But, I am one who does not think you lose your salvation, once you have made that commitment you don't need to be afraid of what will happen after death. I don't fear death. Even though you mess up, we all mess up at one point in our lives and we move past it and ask for forgiveness. The thing with this is that most suicides are driven by depression or a fear of something to come, and if you were so depressed you physically could not think straight, I don't blame them for making that mistake. I just feel sad that they felt that pain so deeply that they couldn't find a way out. That satan drove them to the breaking point. Not to mention those people in burning buildings at 911. They jumped out the windows to avoid the flames. Even though they were going to die anyway, it's still suicide. They chose something less painful, much like those who are driven by mental illness who choose something they personally believe is less painful. My heart breaks to hear of folks like that who don't reach out for help against whatever they're fighting.
If a Christian commits suicide I don't think they go to hell, I do think God will judge the cases depending on the situation though. like if you say "oh I'm saved now I can do whatever I want even if it's sin" then they commit suicide or do whatever their sin is I'd ask if they were really saved.
That's not what I'm talking about.
What about a girl who kills herself so she doesn't have to continue being a sex slave? there are so many variables at play here I don't think it's wise to generalize them all.

I see the situations, but if you truly believe you will go to heaven when you die, there is no need to end your life prematurely. It seems that the devil will have won you over then, that you now have complete control over yourself instead of God. As with the last example you mentioned, just because others are damaging your temple doesn't mean you can too. Also, there are so many places in the Bible that speak of how important repentance is (Acts 3:19, 2 Peter 3:9, Matthew 4:17, Acts 17:30, Romans 2:4, 1 John 1:8-9, etc.) but the main one I'll be using is this next one.

Acts 11:18 When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God saying, "So then, even to Gentiles God has granted repentance that leads to life.

You can't repent (change your ways) if your body has died. Repentance, leaving the sinful things you've done and seeking out greater things, leads to life. You can't fix death with death, but you can fix it with life.

I am not the Judge, but nowhere is it said that suicide is a/the way.

Hmmm... You make some valuable points here, and I see what you mean with the whole damaging your temple point. I think I still stand with what I said, although I would love to hear others' opinions on the matter too. (;
Also, do you guys believe you can lose your salvation? I for one do not. I think this topic boils down to that. Do you lose your salvation after you sin? I personally don't think so. What about ya'll??

No. Once you are saved and are in Christ, He doesn't let you go.

so I think you go to hell for 2 reasons

1. It is the same thing as murdering someone. you do not trust in the lord enough to see your life through and find his plan. It is an act of Defying God's life that he gave you. I would argue it is not the same thing as a baby dyeing.

2. I believe that the state you are in before death determines if you go to haven or hell. If you were a horrible person but repent and give your life. Then you are good. But the opposite is true. If you lived most of your life as a good person. but in your last few moments, you curse God and deny Jesus and hate those around you and your very life itself. I do think you go to hell. Keeping in mind most people that commit suicide are in the deepest darkest pit. They are probably not in a good place.

That is just my opinion and I am sorry if I offended anyone.

I do think that where there is life there is possibility. There is always a chance that God can work a miracle and turn around your life or situation. Death is a finality and there is no hope there.

I've gotta disagree with y'all. If someone started life as a devout follower and believer, but ended it as the opposite, denying God, then I have to ask why they'd still be granted eternal life. They made a covenant, a promise with God to follow and obey Him when they gave their life to Him, but promises can be broken. Like if a guy and a girl are in a relationship. They become acquainted with each other, meet up with each other, and eventually start dating if all goes well. A great path would be for them to continue to love each other, get married, and live a happy life. The guy is a great Christian man who stays loyal to her through everything. They're together for a few months. Let's say the girl ends up cheating on her boyfriend, believing she has found someone better, and breaks up with this genuinely good guy. They are not together any longer. This man did nothing wrong to her, and yet she still betrayed him. She broke their relationship. However, through all of this, our guy still wants to love her, and marry her, and everything else because he sees the good in her. He's willing to wait patiently, to see if she realizes that after awhile with the other men and she still isn't fulfilled and loved like she was with our good guy, that her life was better with him and she could and should go back and still have the life they desire. But she could also stay with the others. It's her choice. If that is what she's doing, then of course they are no longer dating each other, definitely not married. Maybe one day, years from then, they'd cross paths once again and decide to be together, but as of right now that isn't their status. If she died in the state she was in then, no one would claim that she was the good man's bride, as she just wasn't.

Isabelle wrote: "I've gotta disagree with y'all. If someone started life as a devout follower and believer, but ended it as the opposite, denying God, then I have to ask why they'd still be granted eternal life. Th..."

A relationship with God is different from a relationship with man.
Once you ask God in to your heart there is no breaking that relationship no matter what you do....

Gracel wrote: "Isabelle wrote: "I've gotta disagree with y'all. If someone started life as a devout follower and believer, but ended it as the opposite, denying God, then I have to ask why they'd still be granted..."

It's different but comparable, as He refers to Himself as the bridegroom and the church as the bride. You're right, there is no complete breaking or seperation unless someone ends up in hell, but there is definitely substancial weakening, as seen in the Garden of Eden. May I ask for Scripture that backs up the idea that once you've accepted God you go to Heaven no matter what?

Can I get back to you...

Sure

Just to be clear, you guys are saying that once you give your life to God, you're with Him forever, no matter what?

Rose (AKA the crazy weird redhead) wrote: "Hmmm... You make some valuable points here, and I see what you mean with the whole damaging your temple point. I think I still stand with what I said, although I would love to hear others' opinions..."

I believe you can lose your salvation. God gives you a choice. You can either make the right choice or the wrong one.

Isabelle wrote: "I've gotta disagree with y'all. If someone started life as a devout follower and believer, but ended it as the opposite, denying God, then I have to ask why they'd still be granted eternal life. Th..."

I like that analogy.

God doesn't control what we do, He's given us permission to choose or reject Him and live how we want

Sometimes, yes, He intervenes, but death isn't the answer

Just because He is all powerful and authoritative does not mean He uses all of that power all of the time.

Isabelle wrote: "God doesn't control what we do, He's given us permission to choose or reject Him and live how we want"

Exactly. We all have a choice. Let God let his plan of how our life goes work itself out, or take it in our own hands (meaning you dont trust that God has a wonderful plan for you)

Isabelle wrote: "I've gotta disagree with y'all. If someone started life as a devout follower and believer, but ended it as the opposite, denying God, then I have to ask why they'd still be granted eternal life. Th..."

I do like the story and I do agree with your points.

~|Bumblebeeee|~ wrote: "People always say that @Isabelle. Bu it is never true..Sorry. God basically made us his puppets if you are one of his followers"

How so? Could you please cite Scripture?

I would really like a topic on if it is possible for a Christian to backslide and what happens to their soul upon death?

Isabelle wrote: "~|Bumblebeeee|~ wrote: "People always say that @Isabelle. Bu it is never true..Sorry. God basically made us his puppets if you are one of his followers"

How so? Could you please cite Scripture?"

Yes please, but oh wait we are using the bible too much as a base to our arguments.. *snorts and nods sarcastically*

Elizabeth L. {Semi-Hiatus} wrote: "Isabelle wrote: "~|Bumblebeeee|~ wrote: "People always say that @Isabelle. Bu it is never true..Sorry. God basically made us his puppets if you are one of his followers"

How so? Could you please c..."

I mean we are talking about haven and hell a Christian concept.

Austin wrote: "I would really like a topic on if it is possible for a Christian to backslide and what happens to their soul upon death?"

We already have an after death topic.

What kind of Christian are you? (You're a Christian, right?)

Austin wrote: "Elizabeth L. {Semi-Hiatus} wrote: "Isabelle wrote: "~|Bumblebeeee|~ wrote: "People always say that @Isabelle. Bu it is never true..Sorry. God basically made us his puppets if you are one of his fol..."

Exactly, but people are saying we are using the bible to cite things too much.

Elizabeth L. {Semi-Hiatus} wrote: "Austin wrote: "I would really like a topic on if it is possible for a Christian to backslide and what happens to their soul upon death?"

We already have an after death topic.

What kind of Christi..."
who is you?

And I don't see the problem in using scripture to debate a biblical problem.

Isabelle wrote: "I've gotta disagree with y'all. If someone started life as a devout follower and believer, but ended it as the opposite, denying God, then I have to ask why they'd still be granted eternal life. Th..."

Great example Isabelle.

I believe that Christians can lose their salvation. They don’t lose their salvation by sinning once, or something like that, but only if they completely reject God and renounce Christ (for example, Hebrews 10:26-31). However, I do see how other Christians don’t believe the same way- the church I attend is very strong once saved, always saved. 🤷‍♀️

If a Christian commits suicide, I don’t see why that would automatically send them to Hell. People can feel so much despair and not think clearly and make terrible decisions, and suicide can be one of those decisions. Ultimately though, God is the judge and knows everyone’s hearts, and will act accordingly. Thank goodness we don’t have to be the ones to decide that.

Austin wrote: "Elizabeth L. {Semi-Hiatus} wrote: "Austin wrote: "I would really like a topic on if it is possible for a Christian to backslide and what happens to their soul upon death?"

We already have an after..."

EXACTLY, BRUH

My point isn't the method, it's why they killed themselves, or anything. If suicide would take every devout believer to heaven, why don't we all just kill ourselves?

As with the puppet thing, God is a loving Father who wants us to love Him back. Love isn't having someone mindlessly adore and worship you, it's making the choice to love daily. If we all brainlessly obeyed, there would be no point to anything.

It's just not the right way to go. God doesn't want us to kill ourselves, but He's not going to throw us into hell if we do do that.

The link even said that we aren't just His puppets

Okay, if it's someone who was a believer but isn't any longer, who is now living in and following evil, who kills themselves, will they go to Heaven? They'd have no desire to be there, they rejected God and His ways.

Isabelle wrote: "As with the puppet thing, God is a loving Father who wants us to love Him back. Love isn't having someone mindlessly adore and worship you, it's making the choice to love daily. If we all brainless..."

Amen.

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