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Obviously folks what we have on our hands here is a vampire.... I kid.

Interesting. I mean, obviously he couldn't be immortal but it's so weird that people keep saying they see him. Is there a picture or portrait of him?

mmm... interesting. I think I've heard this before somewhere.

I'd believe it when I see the guy! :D

Krishna wrote: "can u see molecules? but it's still there."

First of all that's a logical a logical fallacy. And second of all you actually can see molecules.

It's still a fallacy to say that. You can not say something exists simply because no one can prove they don't. To prove the existence of anything you need to directly provide evidence for their existence.
Actually you can "sense" dark matter in the same sense that you can "sense" gravity.

Krishna wrote: "oh sorry I forgot that dark matter can be sensed and I don't have any other example."

;)

Krishna wrote: "but I'll definitely find some examples"

You shouldn't find examples for your conclusion Krishna. You should follow logic.
Just a friendly advice.

Krishna wrote: "well if it is logic less, then I'll not be able to find examples also:)"

Sure Krishna. :)

Krishna wrote: "https://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en......"

Thanks Krishna. Hmmmm...

Krishna wrote: "really, why it cannot be true? maybe that man had discovered any new compound which can make us immortal. we know that medical science is not so developed till now, but maybe that man was way more ..."

Maybe he's a vampire or a witch or maybe he's just immortal for no apparent reason or something else.
The problem here is that there is no evidence that this man exists.

Krishna wrote: "https://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en......"

Wow! That is some list of pictures. The nose, at least, seems the most common factor but there are a few pictures where even the nose is extremely different.

Laureen wrote: "Krishna wrote: "https://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en......."

That's what I was thinking...

If you Google "Who was St Germain". there are lots if interesting articles about this chap/lady. I wish I had the time to read them all.

St. Germain is a really interesting chap. Lots of theories out there.

(St. Germain's also a rather damn good modern jazz band 'n all.)

You're a funny chappie and all Harry.

Mysteriously true today:

"No man shall know me and live"

I welcome all to quote such truths, negative or positive, as long as it is vindicated. What's your favorites? I know there are many from all sectors. Like so:

'Look now toward heaven, and count the stars, if thou be able to count them'

Joseph wrote: "Mysteriously true today:

"No man shall know me and live"

I welcome all to quote such truths, negative or positive, as long as it is vindicated. What's your favorites? I know there are many from a..."

Damn, I'm getting really sick and tired of these Genesis quotes interfering with discussions that have nothing to do with religion...You can't superimpose your beliefs on top of every single subject in this group. It's stopping the flow of people presenting their opinions on various matters (opinions I enjoy reading and learning from).

So give it a rest already, buddy!
Nobody is replying to or even commenting on any of your Biblical quotes, so take a hint and understand that not everyone shares your beliefs...

OK, my non-PC reply. I don't see anything I said as religion or non-relevant tho.

Sorry Argon, but I do have a couple of quotes for Joseph. They may not meet his criteria though.

"It would be better for us to have some doubts in an honest pursuit of truth, than it would be for us to be certain about something that was not true." - Daniel Wallace

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. You Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mahatma Gandhi

Joseph wrote: "Mysteriously true today:

"No man shall know me and live"

I welcome all to quote such truths, negative or positive, as long as it is vindicated. What's your favorites? I know there are many from a..."

Aha, that one actually really did go with this topic.

20"But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.” Exodus 33:20

What was the reference to yours? Er, or is that just another version of mine?

Argon wrote: "Joseph wrote: "Mysteriously true today:

"No man shall know me and live"

I welcome all to quote such truths, negative or positive, as long as it is vindicated. What's your favorites? I know there ..."

Well I for one do enjoy Joseph's quotes and input. Just sayin'. :)

Laureen wrote: "Sorry Argon, but I do have a couple of quotes for Joseph. They may not meet his criteria though.

"It would be better for us to have some doubts in an honest pursuit of truth, than it would be for..."

Nice quotes Laureen. I do like Ghandi's quote you put there especially cus it is true. Most Christians these days do not reflect Christ at all which is the sad thing. As a Christian, I do try my hardest though, hoping to be a light for Christ.

Good for you Fay. I do think that if Christianity is to survive, Christians need to be more humble. One thing I dislike is how some Christians want to "convert" everybody to thinking as they do and most of all their self-righteousness. I don't remember Jesus saying He was better than anybody else.

Laureen wrote: "I don't remember Jesus saying He was better than anybody else..."

I don't remember Jesus saying ANYTHING in modern Christianity!!
Somebody (er...um...a Roman Emporer called Constantine) slapped this Jewish Rabbi's name on top of this organized religion about 300+ years after he died...A religion that was anti-Semitic to the core, even though the spiritual figurehead was a Jew...go figure!

But as Shakespeare wrote "At the length, the truth will out" - meaning in time (even if it takes centuries) everybody will come to know the ugly political history behind organized religion...

Oh, Let's hope Shakespeare's right. That is one so-called conspiracy on this thread that I do not doubt so much. Yes, I know I should doubt everything until proven. My proof can't be scientifically tested as it comes from experiences in my youth with Organized Religions. Not good ones to say the least.

Argon wrote: "Joseph wrote: "Mysteriously true today:

"No man shall know me and live"

I welcome all to quote such truths, negative or positive, as long as it is vindicated. What's your favorites? I know there ..."


Hard to figure out your buddy buddy talk and no one’s listening post: whose problem is that? Sorry to disappoint you, this is not about religions & paranoia, no one was asked to make sacrifice and worship Genesis. Just to examine the written knowledge legacy of what is among humanity’s most impacting writing and how it measures up today.

No writer in this website or anywhere else is legit with 'I mentioned Genesis again'. I found this writing above philosophy, religions, Shakespeare, Darwin – and it will be discussed when we are long forgotten.

Examine the statements of the first alphabetical book and its alignment with today. I welcomed all to also put something from other sources, and do so with you too - If thou can. Display your knowledge prowess of equivalent underground knowledge?
Yes, I have found 100’s of stats that are mysterious in this work and will do a book about it. A scientifically validated one. Pls show us an older alphabetical book that discusses the universe and debatable today. And make it credible today. Go!?

Laureen wrote: "My proof can't be scientifically tested as it comes from experiences in my youth with Organized Religions. Not good ones to say the least.
..."

You're not alone there with organized religion.
Interesting thing is there was no religion or organization or Christianity when Jesus was alive - he never spoke of any of these things. If you re-read his words it's more like an independent philosophy and way to live your life (with nothing but love)...And in fact early followers of Jesus' message (in the century or so after his death) called their group The Way - meaning they were living as Jesus spoke...But it appears The Way was vastly different to modern Christianity (the Romanized version).

I would guess Gnosticism would be much closer to the message Jesus delivered.
Over the centuries the message got watered down like Chinese whispers until finally now we have some Christians happily engaging in holy wars with other religions or else judging others as sinners for not joining their organized religion...

Otherwise, Happy Easter! :)

Joseph wrote: "Yes, I have found 100’s of stats that are mysterious in this work and will do a book about it. A scientifically validated one...."

Good luck with that book, mate - sounds interesting.

I agree with everything you just said James. You say it so much better than I could. My memory is not as good as it used to be so I am a bit reticent to claim any historical knowledge on these very interesting threads.

Laureen wrote: "Good for you Fay. I do think that if Christianity is to survive, Christians need to be more humble. One thing I dislike is how some Christians want to "convert" everybody to thinking as they do a..."

Hmmmm... okay Laureen.
I think we could all improve our lives with being humble. :)
And part of being a Christian IS to "go out into the world and preach the good news", to try to show people what we believe in so that they do not have to suffer eternal condemnation. But I do understand what you say about how annoying it could be with them always trying to convert. A lot of Christians do not know how to go about "converting" properly and just end up scaring people or shoving the Bible down their throats. In reality, if you want a chance at showing people the truth, you have to build a friendship with them first to gain trust. Get what I'm saying? Or am I just rambling again...

Yes Fay, I do understand what you are saying. I just find it to be smug and condescending to assume that your beliefs are better and "truer" than anybody else's.

Remember when we had missionaries traveling with the explorers so they could hop off on new lands and convert the Natives? How could they assume that the natives had no religion of their own or were devoid of spiritual knowledge. Maybe the natives could have taught the missionaries some "truths". Just an observation, Fay. I certainly do not disrespect your right to your beliefs.

Laureen wrote: "Yes Fay, I do understand what you are saying. I just find it to be smug and condescending to assume that your beliefs are better and "truer" than anybody else's.

Remember when we had missionaries..."

As a Christian, I know that God is 101% truth, so I know that I am speaking truth when I speak about God.

I'm sure that they assumed the natives had a religion or something like that. But they had to share with Natives as if they knew nothing, as if they had to hear the ENTIRE story about God and His great love. I'm sure the Natives taught them some truths, but maybe not necessarily truths about religion since pretty much none of them were "Christians" then. Natives teaching truths on survival though, I could certainly see that.

101 per cent of nothing is nothing. Only joking, but it is the truth. "Truth" as we know of it today, is subjective.

I am a great admirer of Christ and what Christ stood for, just not in the same context in which modern Christians view him. I do believe he existed but not that his mother was a virgin or that he was the son of God except to say that we are all the "children"of our creator.

Whilst I have always found Genesis to be questionable to say the least, I seem to have a closer feel to the Jewish people than I do to the Christian view-point. Maybe I should study the Jewish belief system a little more. It may explain some of the anomalies I find in the text.

Whatever, I do feel closest to the Eastern religions but I won't adopt those outright either because my overriding belief is that our relationship to our creator is a personal one.

Krishna wrote: "just say 1 thing, Jesus Christ was from middle east, so how can he be so white?"

Absolutely Krishna. He changed over time more than Michael Jackson.


Y'know when I hear this Christian point of view of being required to go out to the world and spread their message, I do get it. I absolutely get that they are so certain that they have some great truth that they need to tell the world about it- because I feel that way myself about both spiritual and conspiracy matters (which are linked in my world), and yet I realise that others feel the same about different things and it's always been that approach of "I'm Right, You're Wrong" which has always been at the heart of the conflicts of the world. Of course, it's not just Christianity (in its broad sense) that is to blame, as ISIS are currently doing a pretty damn good job of trying to convince people of their version of truth.

So, Fay, when you say you know/believe God 101%, I believe you. Because I know God like that and yet I have no religion. Muslims and Jews- who share your same God feel the same, Buddhists and Hindus..... etc.

Can't we all just share God and Goodness rather than arguing about who's right and wrong over specifics?

"Hello. I believe in God," said the ancient tribesman.
"Ah, so do I," replied the Christian.
"Great, let's go for a beer!" said the Jew.
And they all lived happily ever after.

"WHO is God?" is a lifelong continuing search for me (and a question which most religions don't put a lot of emphasis on), but I know 'it' to be there nevertheless.

Krishna wrote: "I don't get it!! what is the truth u all r talking about? what r God's teachings? peace and non violence? many other eminent personalities have also told that! so who is God?"

And Yahweh is a very contradictory God in His teachings and ways, as you'll all know. Fear and Love were equal. He certainly wasn't all peace and love- and neither was Jesus for that matter, but not as notably as Yahweh.

Ah mate, I'm no expert, so you'll have to let the Christians of the group answer that to get a fair and detailed picture. The only quotes I could dig up would be about obeying and suchlike. I'm not even sure God did TEACH much, did he? Isn't that more where Jesus came in? -but then Jesus was God apparently, so here's where I get confused.

To confuse things further: which God are you talking about, Harry?

YHWH/Yahweh/Jehova.

(Also known as Allah and...)

Joseph had a quote from a Roman Emperor (valentian?) who responded to criticism at the time Rome accepted Christian God by saying "Gods are Gods, what difference does it make?!"

Also Harry, I second Krishna's request: You as an esteemed Undergrounder should be able to explain everything about God and tell us the meaning of life while you are at it!!

No pressure!

The Dinos Did It: An Idiot's Guide To God, by Harry In-It-For-The-Money Whitewolf coming soon. $85.00 Kindle.

Yet another thread hijacked by the ghosts of dinos...
I would never do such a thing ;)
Still, this St Germain discussion was a comedy thread wasn't it?

This thread did turn from topic quicker than a Big Bang Theory Debunked thread...

Speaking of which, aren't Cern supposed to be creating their own big bang today, where they could find out exactly what God is... or, at the least, that parallel dimensions exist!

Yeah this discussion stayed on topic for about 3 replies!
But I thought this was designed to be a comedic thread? I mean, looking at all the photos of this supposed St Germain geezer just made me burst out laughing...I mean, one pic was a guy hosting a quiz show! Somebody has a sense of humour...St Germain is meant to be immortal...So what does he do with his time? host Jeopardy!! Pure Comedic gold!

I dunno about CERN
Personally I think science is still very young and centuries behind the ancient mystics' understandings of the Universe
Maybe science's missing element is intuition?

Krishna wrote: "why all of u r talking about God's message then? all of u have said about God's teachings, so what r those?"

You believe in St. Germain and yet you doubt God exists? You gotta get your priorities right, Krish :)

Thou shalt not kill dinos (especially at Easter time) - this is God's ONLY message.

But seriously, who talks about God's message and teachings, Krish?
Are you putting words in my mouth again??
Personally, I would say whoever professes to know God's mind has a messiah complex or an overinflated ego.

Best definition of God I ever heard was in the God poll: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/show/1...

Undergrounder Iris wrote this description of God: I believe in a Mathematical Entity, void of any mental abilities or identity. Completely non Anthropomorphic.

I believe what Iris wrote 100%!

Also, you'll note in the comments section of that poll a number of Undergrounders who are scientists wrote that they also believe in God but not like a religious deity but rather a Universal Mind. So that would be along the same lines as what Iris wrote.

So now that we've solved the meaning of life and proved God's existence, can we now return to such important topics as "Is the quiz show host the immortal being known as St. Germain?" and "How did the dinos avoid getting obese?"

Krishna wrote: "why all of u r talking about God's message then? all of u have said about God's teachings, so what r those?"

Well, for those of us talking about 'God' in some non-religious term, it's difficult to put a finger on it, Krishna- the way I see it at least- because at 39, my interpretation of 'God' and its teachings are always changing as I learn more from great teachers and inner wisdom.

But a friend of mine once said that all that's needed and all God is, is: Peace, Love, Joy and Compassion.

So that would be my starting block for what 'God' teaches me.

James wrote: "Yeah this discussion stayed on topic for about 3 replies!
But I thought this was designed to be a comedic thread? I mean, looking at all the photos of this supposed St Germain geezer just made me b..."

Yes James: CON-CERN sums it up.

Here's a pretty good article on St. Germain:

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2013/11...

Harry wrote: "Here's a pretty good article on St. Germain:

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2013/11..."

Yeah, I know, I'm aware of all the stories surrounding St. Germain. Was just having a little fun.
And to say it's hard to sort fact from fiction regarding this historical figure/legend would be an understatement!

Also, I like how it only took about 60 posts to come back to the topic of the thread...Are we evolving or devolving as a group?

p.s. St. Germain, if you're still alive as some Undergrounders presume you to be, can you please join this group and put all speculation to rest? Thank you.

Ah! The elixir of life! Maybe that's how the Elite families have been able to trick us for so long- because ten years to them is a blink of an eye, so it's easy to implement long term plans.

Damn, do I digress once again?