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The [Perry prayer] rally is financed by The American Family Association, a Tupelo, Miss.-based group that opposes abortion and gay rights and believes that the First Amendment freedom of religion applies only to Christians.
-- Associated Press

Hallelujah! Pass the collection platter! Vote Republican!

The Democrats aren't much chop, but this is disgusting.

See why I live a religion-free life?

Never mind the fundies. Fundies will be fundies, and we can only hope their snakes bite them fatally.

What's even more dangerous than disgusting is a possible presidential candidate openly accepting money, exposure and influence from people who hold such a perverse view of the First Amendment freedoms.

One doesn't need to be a genius to see that if freedom of religion applies only to Christians, other religions have no freedom to resist conversion, and thus in the end there will be no freedom of religion, only the "freedom" to choose conversion to Christianity or persecution. That would apply ot only to Muslims but to atheists as well. Of course, if there is no freedom of religion, there is no freedom of speech either, and when that goes, Liberty shuts down operations for the duration. This is a very dangerous slope.

Either this guy Perry was poorly educated or he's a five-star hypocrite.

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One of the things that made Ronald Reagan such a great president was his handling of the religious nutters. Before his election he appeared to say yes to everything they wanted, without ever committing himself specifically. After his election he just ignored them, being seen in church only on high state occasions.

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Something's skewed, in danger of fracturing, when in a constitutionally secular society would-be presidents need to pretend to support religious extremists.

We're safe. All the First Amendment does in regard to religion is keep the gov. from creating a law that gets in the way of worshiping (or not worshiping) whatever and however we wish.

What scares me is the rise of the religous right has taken place as the standard of education falls.

Kat wrote: "What scares me is the rise of the religous right has taken place as the standard of education falls."

What scares me is...everything.

Patricia wrote: What scares me is...everything."

That scares me...

"Something's skewed, in danger of fracturing, when in a constitutionally secular society would-be presidents need to pretend to support religious extremists."

I wonder how the 'conservative movement' got so much power? It may have started as a backlash from the 60's & 70's civil rights and freedom of speach. But it is getting a tremendous amount of money from somewhere. Can't just be the Koch brothers - can it?

The 'tea-party' congress has about sunk the economy again. Obama hasn't the strength of will to make the bastards back down. Better him than having Palin so close to the seat of power. (Shudder, shudder.)

Caribou Barbie and Bachman are the two who scare me! The two most frightening names in the GOP!

Is it just me who sees Perry and can't help but think of The Dead Zone?

Scary times.

HEHE - what a tagline - Election 2012 - scarier than ALL Stephen King's books put together!

Actually, they all remind me of CUJO!

Andre Jute wrote: "Never mind the fundies. Fundies will be fundies, and we can only hope their snakes bite them fatally.

What's even more dangerous than disgusting is a possible presidential candidate openly accepti..."

Perry was poorly educated according to his bio. He was a C student at Texas A&M with a major in animal science (sorta like basketweaving?) but was socially very active. Picture an even dumber George W.

Socially Active and Animal Science? What a joke.

Why does 'beastiality' come to mind?

Sorry - I've been watching too many talking heads.

LOL! Beastiality and Talking Heads in one sentence!

Now all I keep thinking of is little ditty - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPQcnj...

Claudine--can't watch the video in the United States.

Margie it's Talking Heads, an 80s band, singing Road to Nowhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNnAvT...

this is more like it - burning down the house

Thanks, Claudine. It was weird to have your link blocked.

Margie - I couldn't get to it either.

Another good song Kat.

Weird that it was blocked in the US. Maybe Talking Heads is a controversial band?? :D

I got an error that said 'poster of this video did not make it available in the USA.'

Whereever the video was uploaded, it may be a local to you hosting site.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWtCit...

Ditto for me Kat. Double thumbs up and thanks, Claudine.

Kat wrote: ""Something's skewed, in danger of fracturing, when in a constitutionally secular society would-be presidents need to pretend to support religious extremists."

I wonder how the 'conservative movement' got so much power?..."

Something is skewed, but not in the direction we've been led to believe. I have to be careful as I can write an entire novel on this subject alone, but the politics you're following... and the policis the GOP are following, aren't the same politics that our own parents and grandparents followed.

The Conservatives today aren't the Conservatives 20 years ago. Democrats are also in the same boat. About 35 years ago, a small, unnoticed movement got started. Nobody paid them any attention because they were considered 'off the wall' in many ways. It's akin to seeing me sit down in a restaurant and yelling out that the cooks and servers are fascists and the bill for my dinner should be split among all who are there. I would get scoffed at and nobody would listen.

Then let's say I took the time to influence public education and private educational standars to teach values that support such a ludicrous determination. Then when it's called for, more than half of the restaurant will suddenly be inclined to agree even though it's a few decades later.

Sounds nuts, I know. I used the comparison and hypothetical situation for a reason. It applies here.

The show put on by the Republicans and Democrats is a sleight of hand. Look here, see us clash, pick a side and argue with the other, and nobody will notice the pillaging of the economy or the assignment of both permanent and liquid assets.

Such a pillaging is done on purpose, by people you may have heard about in passing, or maybe not. No conspiracy theories here. There are those who aren't American that stand to make billions and billions from the economic collapse of the United States. Sadly, it's not the corporations or the unions. They're just being used.

This is a long road I walked. I can't prove much with just one post, but I can promise you four things.

One, the history, the real history of the United States, hasn't been taught for a long, long time. Only a truncated version with much left out that would get people into thinking..."What? We did that for real? Then why do we support this policy today..." But in order for folks to not question the real values and ideals set by our founders, it's been simply written out of the textbooks... decades ago.

Two, both major political parties have been usurped and absorbed not by the Tea Party or by Liberals... they are both being 'used' to provide something to watch other than the real evil behind the scenes. When... or maybe if you find out who this is through your own digging for the real facts, you will be pissed to no end.

Three, nothing I type here or provide will turn the tide. Everyone who has asked for more details has gotten them from me, in their own effort to prove me either wrong or nuts, and I gain new friends and allies instead. Those who don't really care never ask and get sucked back into the dramatic dogma. I don't blame those who do nor do I look down upon those folks. They've been suckered by ultimate masters of the trade. It's not their fault.

Fourth, this is a time investiment for the truth. You can't get it from the Internet. Libraries will need to be utilized. Dates and Supreme Court cases looked up and read. Public records for Congressional Members and the years they were voted in. When these things are done, the illusion slides off. Not everyone is willing to do that. But it's the only way, because somebody won't be able to accuse them of being 'swayed' by a smooth talker. They can tell them they seen it with their own two eyes.

Let me help with a list of four things most people don't know because it's been erased from our education across the board.

1. The first black man elected to a Public Office was in 1768. He held his post for 40+ years. (Uh oh, weren't they all supposed to be oppressed slaves?)

2. Women did actually get to vote in the early years of the United States. Before and after the Civil War too. Yes, actually vote. The rule was the voter had to be a land owner back then. Many wives who were on the deed along with their husbands were eligible, and they did vote. Women also inherited land from parents or other relatives all the time and they voted as well. Men who didn't own land didn't vote either. Women had to be convinced they were 'suffering' so the central bankers could tax them too, an untapped resource of revenue if they could champion a whole new set of laws that said so. Then non-property owning men who were standing with the women until that point for fair voting rights were no longer invited to the movement gatherings as the central bank started funding the sufferage events for women only. (That's not how it's taught anymore, isn't it?)

3. The last time a Militia of the United States repelled a foreign attack from our soil was... think about it a moment... Muskets and Victorian Age clothing filling your vision yet? Seventeen what? No, maybe eighteen what? Let's try 1942. Not only was it a bad moment for the Japanese, but it's the very reason why they didn't invade with ground troops after they bombed Pearl Harbor. One Japanese Admiral was quoted as saying, "A gun behind every blade of grass. That is America." Though I do forget his name... I have to refind that older history book. It's been awhile.

4. The founding fathers argued long and hard over the Bill of Rights and championed many other religions for their Right to worship in the 'new' United States. The reasonings, whys, and arguments were all written down so future politicians wouldn't be able to re-interpret the actual text into meaning something else. (The Federalist Papers) Which are no longer read, studied or discussed in any classroom anywhere. And they're no longer used as a reference by the Supreme Court to settle case law, allowing bad rulings like Kelo vs New London (2005).

My apologies for the length. Whenever this subject comes up, I have a hard time not waving my arms and shouting, "It's a trap! Your being set up!"

I am not a Republican nor am I a Democrat. I'm an Independent Voter, an American who sees through the bullshit. And until certain elements that are influencing our country into setting up a one world government are forever gone, no agenda from those parties will provide solutions. None. They only provide a platform for argument, it's why the economy has been bubble popping since the late eighties every five to seven years from one end of our economy to the other... and it's not about to stop.

Here's one more thing to think about in that assessment. Bush passed a 700 Billion Stimulus to jolt the economy back to life in his last two months of office. Then Obama passed a 700+ Billion Stimulus as one of his first acts to jolt the economy back into life. Neither one really worked and we have been at 9%+ Unemployment ever since. Ever wonder why, after they both did the same thing, it never worked? If you find the answer to that question, and not based on what others told you... as in reading the stimulus bills themselves... you'll see the beginning edge of the real problem.

Larry wrote: "Perry was poorly educated according to his bio. He was a C student at Texas A&M with a major in animal science (sorta like basketweaving?) but was socially very active. Picture an even dumber George W."

I am no fan of Perry. Please don't think I am. Just as a heads up, his C grades doesn't mean he'll be dumb.

One of my favorite politicians was educated by (gasp!) Ministers and Priests at home. He owned no High School Diploma. There was no Department of Education either to oversee his early development. He took what he learned from teachers who were Christian and very religious, and without a High School Diploma, tested and entered college.

He learned math, science and was deeply interested in political science. He was a huge reader, and eventually he learned up to 5 different languages. Best politician ever. No High School Diploma, but got into a college at age 16. Oh, his name? Thomas Jefferson.

Now if any politician got up on stage today with a college degree but had no high school diploma, they would shred him from one side of his ass to the other.

And for the record, to be President of the United States... there's no educational requirement stated. I wonder why? ^_^

Problem is, Daniel, it isn't even a conspiracy. These people are doing it to us right out in the open.

The first one I'd put in front of a firing squad is the Canadian oilman Maurice Strong. He's a member of the Club of Rome, he was for many years in charge of the UN Environmental Program (UNEP), and he's the founder of the enormously wasteful IPCC -- yes, that's right, an oilman, he hunts with the hounds and runs with the fox -, and in extreme old age he's now an advisor to the Chinese government on how they can rip the guilt-ridden West while merrily polluting themselves.

In fact, if I had to pick one institution to make an example of with a firing squad, I'd pick the Club of Rome, and shoot all the members. (Or charge them with crimes against humanity, and then shoot them.) They are moral degenerates, the lot of them, eugenicists of the worst possible racist aspect. Some of them believe that a sustainable world population is as low as 100m people, none believe it is more than half a billion. Some say openly we will have to kill a few million a day. Guess who's surplus to requirements? Blacks and browns, and probably Texans too, for being independent-minded. Want to know why famine relief doesn't work? It's because these guys, who think Africans stand in the way of a continent-sized nature preserve, are in charge of keeping them alive.

And that explains why no conspiracy is necessary: they are in charge. They publish books explaining openly what they intend. Books published by the Club of Rome, and recommended by the great and the good, express sentiments that are interchangeable with those in Mein Kampf by the simple process of swapping out "Jews"/"untermenschen" and substituing "the famished"/"inhabitants of the third world". The only way they differ from the eugenicists of the first half of the 20th century is semantically.

I've already repeatedly demonstrated that the original and continued banning of DDT is a willful racist genocide by the same spectrum of people. As is the norm, it was done right out in the open. The people behind it knew it was a lie, that no one had ever died from DDT, that no one would ever die from it, that it was safe to eat with a spoon; they told everyone they were doing it to demonstrate "street power" to Washington; they knew tens of millions would die from malaria and starvation and dismissed such concerns with a statement made on television by an official of the Sierra Club that the substitute for DDT would "kill only a few farm workers, and they would anyway be mostly Mexican."

I think of them as The Wreckers. In my lifetime they've done nothing right.

Links to some of these books, please, Andre...

Mein Kampf
The Limits to Growth
War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a Master Race



“The Earth has cancer and the cancer is Man.” -- Club of Rome, Mankind at the Turning Point - The Second Report To The Club of Rome

Thanks, Andre. This may not be the hill I am prepared to die on at this moment, but I am grateful someone is. I have saved the links for some future time when I am up to it.

I had a copy of Mein Kampf forever but could never get through it. All of them seem equally chilling!

I'd give it a miss if I were you, Sharon. It's just too depressing for words. I gave you a short list only because you asked.

You've anyway already dealt with the Club of Rome and their genocidal hangers-on when you came to your independent conclusion about DDT. More examples will merely depress you with the heartlessness of the modern practitioners of eugenics.

Andre Jute wrote: "Problem is, Daniel, it isn't even a conspiracy. These people are doing it to us right out in the open."

Isn't that the freaky truth. Thanks for the heads up on this group.

Another name to add to that is a Hungarian/Jew by the name of Gyoergy Schwartz. He was born on August 12, 1930 and in his youth, actually assisted the Gestapo in finding/exposing other Jews during World War Two. He was quoted as saying "It was the best time of my life." Today, he is a sociopathic multi billionaire. He made his first Billion in 1972 when he used his knowledge of hedge funding in the markets to short the Bristish pound sterling and cash in his loss payee bets. The result of his actions was the decimation of the English middle class, which saw their home values plummet, their savings disappear and their pensions evaporate. Then he did it to Thailand and Malaysia, which saw the Blat collapse, then on to Russia and the Rubes, where in 1999 he almost collapsed the entire Russian economy.

He goes by another name, it was changed in the 1930's to sound better to Nazi ears as he worked for them. You may have heard of him before. He is also known as George Soros. And he makes villians like Dracula seem tame. Very tame.

This guy?

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/...

He's linked to funding 'Occupy Wall Street' though I can't see how.

Evil likes to disguise itself, doesn't it?

I wiki'd him - interesting.

This thread lost me. In small words please... lol.

Kat wrote: "This guy?

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/...

He's linked to funding 'Occupy Wall Street' though I can't see how.

Evil likes to ..."

Thanks for the link Kat. This thread is informative and very frightening.

Kat wrote: "This guy?

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/...

He's linked to funding 'Occupy Wall Street' though I can't see how.

Evil likes to ..."


Yeah, that guy. The key they mentioned in that article is accurate...The Tides Foundation. Soros started it for the purpose of filtering his money to other organizations. The money trail is there and takes a lot of steps to the pockets of people he wants to promote and support.

One of his pet groups is called the "Democratic Socialists of America" which currently has 74 Democrats listed among their membership. Those are 74 paid and bought for politicians who have pretty much taken over the Democratic Party. Their views and agenda has nothing to do with freedom and prosperity, I can promise. http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html

Soros isn't new at this. It's all old hand strategies that's worked for him in the past. He also changed the regimes in Croatia, Georgia and Yugoslavia. That earned his insane amounts of money. When the American economy tanks, as he has a driven effort to really bury our economy, he stands to make billions more. Freaks me out that evil so openly walks among us unchallenged.

Soros isn't funding OWS.

You're right - it was a rumor started by Lumbaugh.