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Kat wrote: "Kytriya wrote: "When will females inside the womb have the same rights as those outside of the womb? We keep talking about women's rights and equality, but I keep thinking about the lady who surviv..."

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Hey all, let's try to keep this thread as on-topic as possible. We're going to be sorting through your questions for the event, and it will be much easier if we refrain from off-topic discussion here. Feel free to continue your conversations in other posts on the board, and you can always start your own if there's not already a relevant discussion happening!

Joanne wrote: "Hi all! I'm from Michigan but I may be in Chicago this weekend. I'd love to meet up with ya'll if I am."

Yay! I hope you can make it :)

I think another facet of the argument of feminists who are against trans inclusion is that they are averse to the supposed privilege that trans women had before transitioning. They think that because until a certain point, society viewed a trans woman as a man, they can't understand, relate, empathize, etc. with what it is like to be oppressed as a woman for your entire life. Obviously, I don't hold these views. I think it is absolutely insane to think this way. There is no monolithic woman experience and there is no reason to try to pretend that there is one.

I'm happy to debate the rights of prisoners, abortion, and gender roles and how they relate to sexual assault until the cows come home, but I just don't think this is the thread to continue this discussion.

My last word on the subject: while convicted criminals have some rights stripped away, access to medical care is NOT one of them (in the U.S., at least. As usual, I apologize for being ethnocentric). Abortion is a legal medical procedure, and prisoner cannot be denied that treatment. Furthermore, forced abortion would be considered eugenics. Regardless of the circumstances, any attempts to force a woman to undergo either a procedure or a pregnancy is wrong.

My last response was referencing a post that I misread, I thought someone suggested that the man (victim) might want the child.

Regardless, I think this is all very hypothetical and getting a bit out of hand and ridiculous, haha. The fact of the matter is, a woman cannot be forced to terminate a pregnancy anymore than she should be prevented from having an abortion is she wants to. But this is why we have courts and judges, to consider specific circumstances.

I don't think he would have termination rights, but he could easily sue for custody, and while women are statistically granted custody more often than men, in this case, I'd guess the father would win. That's assuming the mother is convicted of the rape, or that he is believed at all. Obviously there are a lot of gender-related problems at play in this hypothetical situation.

Great! I'm going to put the date/time/location right in the subject title!

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Is your intention for this to be like a story writing game? If that is the case, would you mind if we change the title of the thread to "Story Writing Game"?

Let's do Argo Tea, then! We'll be sure to have enough space.

What is the address of the two-floor location?

Like I said, I'll get there early and make a sign. I'll also maybe post to this thread about where I am (first floor, second floor, etc.) to make it easier for everyone to find.

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Keep in mind that the article states that the studies are in preliminary stages. Thus far, it appears they've only been doing statistical analyses. You can't expect researchers to figure everything out immediately. They'll get there eventually. This is just where they've chosen to start.

The point of comparing the old and new is to identify trends, so I think we absolutely HAVE to make those comparisons.

And I think it is important to compare the amount of dialogue of men and women in these movies. When girls have for so long been taught that their voices don't matter, and then the women characters they watch spend most of their movies being talked TO rather than talking, this reinforces those ideas. While Disney is not necessarily "guilty" or anything, because they are the most well-respected franchise of kids' movies, I think it is fair that people wish for them to be more on the progressive side of things rather than passively reinforcing problematic gender roles.

I like the thinking behind analyzing the types of compliments the princesses receive. But it’s worth considering to what ends are these compliments deployed? For example, Belle is complimented only on her looks and is ridiculed for reading books. This furthers the plot by making it more believable that she would be kind to the Beast, another outsider. It also sends a message to young girls that it is okay, and even valuable, to define yourself by something other than your appearance. The problem, of course, is that Belle does not actually use those supposedly robust brains to accomplish anything. It’s just a trait like any other that motivates a love story, but her intelligence does not save the day. What a different story that would have been! That being said, of course being a good, kind person makes her a good role model for girls as well. But that’s hardly new or interesting when it comes to how we define women under patriarchy.

Mulan is also an interesting example because the ridicule she receives is lobbed at her because the story requires her to overcome. While there are plenty of problems with this movie (both in relation to race and gender), Mulan’s story is remarkable in that she gets to follow a journey typically reserved for male heroes. The romance is a sub-plot. She’s motivated by family, honor, and proving herself. In fact, Mulan is more relatable because while most male heroes (I’m generalizing here) seem to depend on natural ability, we actually get to see Mulan learn in a fantastic montage. Girls get to see, literally, the hard work that is required to subvert gender roles. And unlike Belle, Mulan DOES save the day with traits unrelated to her appearance. So in this way, compliments are often used not to actually praise a woman, but to keep her in her place, and in these two examples, those compliments are subverted in feminist ways.

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Well a rapist should be punished according to the books, regardless of gender, and if the law of the land says that a woman can have an abortion, that's an unrelate issue. If the law says she can't have an abortion, well she'll have to have the baby.

It seems complicated because sex causes pregnancy, but one actually has nothing to do with the other when it comes to crime and punishment. The only reason it does, at least in the U.S., is that people are constantly referencing rape cases to make points about (il)legal abortion, but the fact of the matter is, the two should be entirely separate issues. Abortion should be legal, rape should be illegal, and that should not be contingent.

So I'd say forcing a woman to have a baby that results from a rape committed by her is not an appropriate punishment for her actions. Her punishment should be a prison sentence. It's like when men are going to prison and people make weird rape jokes about them, as if they deserve that. But... they don't. They deserve a prison sentence. Anything else that happens is wrong.

Sorry if this was totally U.S.-centric, I can only really speak from that perspective.

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Kelly wrote: "I loved the Introduction. Partly because I lived for five years in the Sturgis, SD area, and I experienced Rally first hand several times. Many of the bikers were doctors and lawyers--very much the..."

Kelly, that sounds like a lot of fun. Thanks for sharing. I grew up in a generally urban area, so I can't imagine how jarring it must be to live in a place with a relatively small population that is suddenly overrun by people!

Ty wrote: "Adam wrote: "Ty wrote: "Adam wrote: "Sure, let men decide how to call their own social movement. You really don't see how insulting it is for women even to consider that possibility? How can women ..."

Hey, let's try to keep this thread on topic, shall we? Feel free to continue your debate respectfully in an appropriate thread or even a PM if you prefer. It's going to be difficult enough for Emma and the mods to comb through all of the (awesome!) questions everyone is asking without having to skip over unrelated posts.

I have a few questions that are a bit more focused on the book itself:

1. In the Introduction, you reference the migrant Roma people as an example of the human “addiction to travel.” Can you elaborate on the difference between travel as necessity and travel as privilege? How is that difference is reflected in your own life as well as the stories you've heard from others on the road?

2. For those who cannot travel or do travel but in spite of safety concerns or socioeconomic hardships, how can the lessons that “can only be learned on the road” be learned? Is a lack of ability to travel freely and often another way in which women and the impoverished are as a disadvantage?

3. Were there times on the road when you felt, as a woman or otherwise, concerned for your safety in a way that is specific to solo travel? What is your advice to young women, especially with limited resources and funding, who want to travel but are concerned about safety?