Underground Knowledge — A discussion group discussion

James wrote: "Here's to your 2022 gym training Iain! It'll be worth the wait and worth the iris and fingerprint scan you'll need to do to even set foot in the gym by then!"

Mate that's ol hat, there's already a fingerprint scanner at the gym I am a member of.

By 2022, it'll be this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=688ZZ...

James wrote: "Here's to your 2022 gym training Iain! It'll be worth the wait and worth the iris and fingerprint scan you'll need to do to even set foot in the gym by then!"

Oh and you'll need to duck while doing shoulder shrugs for your traps as there'll be small drones flying around in the gym overhead spraying you with disinfectant :)

Iain wrote: "James wrote: "Here's to your 2022 gym training Iain! It'll be worth the wait and worth the iris and fingerprint scan you'll need to do to even set foot in the gym by then!"

Mate that's ol hat, the..."

Nah, that Blade Runner analysis tech will never work in gyms.

Because they'll find no brain inside those gym bros!

James wrote: "Australia's PM Scott Morrison recently said international travellers will be allowed into Australia "by mid-2021 at the earliest"...

Does he know something about longer term plans, perhaps?"

Morrison Signals Australian Borders May Be Closed Until Mid-2021
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...

Mid-2021?!
That's a whole year away...
And that date can obviously be extended further as they seem to be working in increments...or breaking the news to us gently, in stages...

James wrote: "Australia's PM Scott Morrison recently said international travellers will be allowed into Australia "by mid-2021 at the earliest"...

Does he know something about longer term plans, perhaps?"

Almost as curious as the UK extending the use of the Emergency Powers act for up to 2 years . . . .

I reckon a 2nd COVID Wave in the winter is a feasible outcome . . . .

Do you think it might even become mandatory to be vaccinated before you can enter some countries?

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "James wrote: "Here's to your 2022 gym training Iain! It'll be worth the wait and worth the iris and fingerprint scan you'll need to do to even set foot in the gym by then!"

Mate that'..."

Because they'll find no brain inside those gym bros!

Never judge a muscle by its gains.

James wrote: "James wrote: "Here's to your 2022 gym training Iain! It'll be worth the wait and worth the iris and fingerprint scan you'll need to do to even set foot in the gym by then!"

Oh and you'll need to d..."

Or more like this you mean?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPP6u...

James wrote: "Mid-2021?!
That's a whole year away...
And that date can obviously be extended further as they seem to be working in increments...or breaking the news to us gently, in stages..."

Mass vaccination would render that excessive . . . .

Iain wrote: "Almost as curious as the UK extending the use of the Emergency Powers act for up to 2 years . . . .

I reckon a 2nd COVID Wave in the winter is a feasible outcome . . . ...."

They are already planning for 3rd and 4th waves :)

But seriously, yes the UK setting the Emergency Powers Act for 2 years when this first began, was one of my first alarm bells..the first of about 100+ alarm bells that have been ringing like church bells inside my skull!

Iain wrote: "Or more like this you mean?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPP6u...

..."

hahaha...you'd wanna have a good workout to justify going thru all that just to get into a gym!

And that 12 Monkeys scene doesn't seem so far-fetched now

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "Almost as curious as the UK extending the use of the Emergency Powers act for up to 2 years . . . .

I reckon a 2nd COVID Wave in the winter is a feasible outcome . . . ...."

They are..."

They do plain Jane simply drone on about it.

Don't worry though, as one church goer said to me years ago for reasons unbeknown at the time: "it'll work itself out" with a cackle.

I think he meant that it'll workout OK for him not me . . . . laughing all the way to the bank I bet. Good to know you've positioned it all up in advance , eh?

Is God on his side though? I hope he's watching....

You guys are brilliant. It's plain enlightenment just to read your points of view

Iain wrote: "Do you think it might even become mandatory to be vaccinated before you can enter some countries?..."

I believe the plan is to roll out these measures in a more subtle fashion...Coercion will be utilized, at times

So although masks and gloves might be mandatory in some regions, I don't think the Corona Vaccine will be mandatory (not in the West at least).

So if you follow that thru to logical conclusion, you'll be at that point creating 2nd class citizens out of society (the unvaccinated, those who remain "natural") https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73pu7... But it will be argued these people chose not to follow "science"

So yes, I think what you imply is correct: Certain things like international travel, certain types of jobs, will not be available for the unvaccinated.

And then the microchip is the next stage after the vaccine.

UNLESS, enough sheeple wake up and rebel of course ;)

Iain wrote: "JDon't worry though, as one church goer said to me years ago for reasons unbeknown at the time: "it'll work itself out" with a cackle.. ...."

Mate, that almost sounds as cringeworthy as the Aussie saying "She'll be right, mate", which can mean it will be right or can mean you're completed F#$D or anything in between.

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "Or more like this you mean?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPP6u...

..."

hahaha...you'd wanna have a good workout to justify going thru all that just to get into a gym!





And that 1..."

Especially the end part where they go back in time to the part where they shot him as he was at the airport and when he had a full head of hair.

Alexis wrote: "You guys are brilliant. It's plain enlightenment just to read your points of view"

Do we pass with flying colors?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OBZf...

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "JDon't worry though, as one church goer said to me years ago for reasons unbeknown at the time: "it'll work itself out" with a cackle.. ...."

Mate, that almost sounds as cringeworthy ..."

OK. I was trying to be positive mate, but you want the negative 'doom and gloom' Aussie version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBVEz...

Iain wrote: "OK. I was trying to be positive mate, but you want the negative 'doom and gloom' Aussie version...."
More like the Liza Boston version!

Never leave too much of your "invalid self in the valid world"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06lJh...

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "Do you think it might even become mandatory to be vaccinated before you can enter some countries?..."

I believe the plan is to roll out these measures in a more subtle fashion...Coerc..."

Always said it: A 2nd Wave and coupled with further economic misery due to a need for another 'full lockdown' and the 'gloves are off'.

ps: what is it with scientism mate and these lovers of stats? Their proponents are almost as bad as the irrational religious zealots they oppose . . . .

Iain wrote: "what is it with scientism mate and these lovers of stats? Their proponents are almost as bad as the irrational religious zealots they oppose . . . ...."

I get you on scientism...Much of scientific academia has become as dogmatic and anti-scientific as the religious zealots they originally opposed.

But I actually think they are ignoring stats at present (or else creatively using them to suit their arguments which match politicians' arguments).

However, THE most important stat of all in my opinion, the fatality rate, have all but been forgotten in all this mess. Very low fatality rate - 30-40 times lower than original predictions that caused the lockdown...and in the range of the 0.1-0.3% fatality rate of seasonal flu (which we were originally told not compare it to)... So that's one stat not being talked about in favour of the overall narrative -- a narrative that's reported day and night like a Soviet Gulag loudspeaker announcement.

James wrote: "Never leave too much of your "invalid self in the valid world"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06lJh..."


Wrong movie mate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mGr4...

Iain wrote: "Wrong movie mate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mGr4..."

Okay, so when does that hot Russian chick arrive in our Coronaworld?

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "Wrong movie mate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mGr4..."

Okay, so when does that hot Russian chick arrive in our Coronaworld?"

Fast forward to the end for the answer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuWPN...

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "what is it with scientism mate and these lovers of stats? Their proponents are almost as bad as the irrational religious zealots they oppose . . . ...."

I get you on scientism...Much ..."

Is that not where there's a bit of an argument for balance from both sides of the argument though?

Too lax in being cautious and people disregard the risk and increase the chances of fatality.

And what about dosage of the virus? Doesn't the load have baring too?

If your nonchalant about it or not as cautious as you maybe should then susceptibility to higher dosages might also push the numbers up.

I dunno. Best to err on caution but it's a sandwich we're in.

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "Wrong movie mate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mGr4..."

Okay, so when does that hot Russian chick arrive in our Coronaworld?"

In an alternative universe perhaps?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QEkU...

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "Wrong movie mate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mGr4..."

Okay, so when does that hot Russian chick arrive in our Coronaworld?"

Iain wrote: "James wrote: "Iain wrote: "Wrong movie mate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mGr4..."

Okay, so when does that hot Russian chick arrive in our Coronaworld?"

In an alternative universe perhaps?

h..."

Mate I thought she was a Turkey

Sorry Turkish. Faux Pas.

Iain wrote: "But it's a sandwich we're in..."

Bit like this
https://youtu.be/pDria1i9_FM?t=101

Also, a lot of people are claiming to know (without full public discourse) which is "erring on the side of caution" - but if you think about the guaranteed lives (as in deaths) you have at the other end with every day extra you extend lockdowns and restrictions, then it is not so easy to know which approach would be erring on the side of caution... If for example there was an initial overstatement (as Trump has always implied) in medical predictions, then erring on the side of caution would be to open up everything and follow the Swedish model.

The people in East Asia are more likely to wear masks, so maybe they are effective. Maybe in Japan fewer people got in with the virus. As for the value of a lockdown, despite China being the first to actually have the real effects of the pandemic their lockdown stopped it. The US hasn't really bothered, and look at the cases and the deaths.

James, I most certainly am not writing off lives. My case is it is better to do something strict to save lives. Yes, the economy is a problem, and it will get worse, but I see no evidence that brief lockdowns cause more economic damage than extended viral outbreaks. You say, lock away the vulnerable, but the vulnerable need supplies, etc, and in NZ half of the deaths were in the elderly in rest homes that had the virus introduced by a worker.

The problem with most lockdowns is they did not lock down - the exceptions ruined everything. As for problems with cancer, etc, you think they would be solved if everyone went on as usual and the hospitals were flooded with COVID-19 cases? Of course not everything went right, and it never could. There was a wretched pandemic. Also, I am not in favour of arguments using retrovision. When the pandemic broke, nobody knew how bad it was going to be, and the nasty thing is, we still don't. The action of this virus is not that much distant from a hemorrhagic fever, and should we not try to stamp it out before it mutates that way? Maybe it won't, but from a strategic point of view, is it not better to play safe?

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "But it's a sandwich we're in..."

Bit like this
https://youtu.be/pDria1i9_FM?t=101

Also, a lot of people are claiming to know (without full public discourse) which is "erring on the s..."

True. You could end up being the Ultimate Worrier I suppose, which compounds matters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF4ZT...

Iain wrote: "Sorry Turkish. Faux Pas."

Iain wrote: "James wrote: "Iain wrote: "Wrong movie mate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mGr4..."

Okay, so when does that hot Russian chick arrive in our Coronaworld?"

Iain wrote: "James wrote: "Iain wrote:..."

Ukrainian. But I purposefully called her Russian in homage to when Fury called Vlad "Russian" :)

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "But it's a sandwich we're in..."

Bit like this
https://youtu.be/pDria1i9_FM?t=101

Also, a lot of people are claiming to know (without full public discourse) which is "erring on the s..."

I am following the Swedish Model as we speak. Life is a gamble mate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-crgQ...

Iain wrote: "Life is a gamble mate...."

Nobody wants to gamble right now, I think you hit the nail on the head Iain. We want sooo much safefy, yet maybe we've become so scared of death as our world hasn't had much death in it in recent decades.

I doubt very much you could lockdown the generations who went thru the Great Depression or WW2... Imagine in late 1945 if you'd told WW2 vets coming home that we now need to lockdown for a virus in which there is about a 1-2 out of a 1,000 chance you'd die...They'd have laughed uproariously at whoever suggested it, then went around business as usual.

Iain wrote: "James wrote: "Iain wrote: "But it's a sandwich we're in..."

Bit like this
https://youtu.be/pDria1i9_FM?t=101

Also, a lot of people are claiming to know (without full public discourse) which is "e..."

Preferably the blonde woman as well.

Mate, do you think ABBA ever envisioned they would also find themselves not only famous popstars but also a useful analogy in a counter-argument to expressing a level of vigilance in the face of a global Pandemic?

Ian wrote: "Yes, the economy is a problem, and it will get worse, but I see no evidence that brief lockdowns cause more economic damage than extended viral outbreaks. ..."

You may wanna communicate with people in places like India right about now...

Iain wrote: "Mate, do you think ABBA ever envisioned they would also find themselves not only famous popstars but also a useful analogy in a counter-argument to expressing a level of vigilance in the face of a global Pandemic?..."

You underrate the Greek and Roman style philosophies that were the inspiration for all ABBA songs

Oh hang on, it was Greek and Roman outfits that inspired them. Never mind.

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "Life is a gamble mate...."

Nobody wants to gamble right now, I think you hit the nail on the head Iain. We want sooo much safefy, yet maybe we've become so scared of death as our worl..."

To be fair mate, I see your point but then your getting into the whole area where the social milieu was different and the subjective experience.

It's like someone arguing that all rich folk have money therefore why should they be depressed?

On another note: the reason we haven't experienced anything as monumental as this up until now and the lifestyle we have is thanks to those veterans.

If any toughness is being expressed in all of this, then it's in a detached and aloof way the stats have been expressed which has reduced life to a mathematical equation.

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "Mate, do you think ABBA ever envisioned they would also find themselves not only famous popstars but also a useful analogy in a counter-argument to expressing a level of vigilance in t..."

Oh hang on, it was Greek and Roman outfits that inspired them. Never mind.

That's the Naked Truth

'Escape the pandemic in paradise': Fiji opens its borders seeking billionaires https://www.theguardian.com/world/202...
Prime minister looks to attract ‘VIPs’ to help restore country’s battered economy which is heavily dependent on tourism

A bit random, but there you go!

James wrote: "'Escape the pandemic in paradise': Fiji opens its borders seeking billionaires https://www.theguardian.com/world/202......"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOTEB...

James wrote: "'Escape the pandemic in paradise': Fiji opens its borders seeking billionaires https://www.theguardian.com/world/202......"

Is there a 'cattle class' option?

Iain wrote: "James wrote: "'Escape the pandemic in paradise': Fiji opens its borders seeking billionaires https://www.theguardian.com/world/202......"

and with Herd Immunity

Amber (Heard) immunity?

James wrote: "Amber (Heard) immunity?"

And on a deserted island? it's either that or contagious . . . . what do you think?

lmao :D

Mate, who would have thought we'd end up on Amber Heard this early on in the conversation?

So just when you thought we could battle and overcome:

Erratic climate change
Political and geopolitical instability
Pandemic
Economic crisis
Slow societal and cultural breakdown
Threats of war

This pops up!

Arctic WARNING: North pole 'ticking TIME BOMB' of deadly disease

https://www.express.co.uk/news/scienc...

Iain wrote: "So just when you thought we could battle and overcome:

Erratic climate change
Political and geopolitical instability
Pandemic
Economic crisis
Slow societal and cultural breakdown
Threats of war

T..."

Sign of events to come?

Nostradamus talks of a great plague, Europe being invaded in a war that lasts 27 years. (Sep 2001 the starting point?), the sea rising and the sinking of coastal cities and so on.

Fortuitous vision? None shall prophet, including The Trader here . . . .

11 shockingly accurate predictions from Nostradamus

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/ed...

James, I am not sure about the reference to India - they are getting about 17,000 new cases a day so any lockdown they have hasn't operated properly. If their economy is in trouble it is arguably because of too many cases.

Also, this statement that the death rate is 0.1 - 0.2% is not backed up. If you take the total deaths reported world-wide and the total cases reported world wide, the death rate remains at 5%. You can question the figures, and reporting can be bad in places, but it cuts both ways. I think the world-wide figures are a better average because at least we don't get biased sampling.