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Irene, I have wondered the same, I have never known anyone who had Covid-19. Even my son the nurse hadn't, they had one patient in the dedicated isolation ward, who eventually tested negative after weeks of terror. My cousin in UK told me her brother in Holland had it, I would like to contact him, not sure how.

Ian J Miller, what you say also makes a vaccine impossible too, non è così?

Ian wrote: "Iain, I really don't know how/where it originated. The evidence is strongly in favour of it originating in a bat, but how it made the transference to humans is an open question.

Another disturbing..."

Another disturbing possibility - the antibodies seem to decline and fade away in patients that have been infected and recovered

Is the real danger here then the greater r-nought factor and contagion vis-a-vis common cold that COVID possesses and its potential long-term impact on the economy if we try to go back to normal?

The amount and rate of sickness would be too costly and the pressure on our health facilities too great. In other words then, will masks, social distancing and so on be here for good? And maybe temp lock-downs will come in waves as a consequence?

If a vaccine is useless at that juncture then tech solutions would be the next logical step, i.e. greater automation , remote working and so on. The down-side is that this would demand addressing mass job displacement and providing alternative roles, re-configuring the economy to suit and so on.

But that was always on the cards anyway and COVID solutions could potentially speed up deployment here, while also helping to ease the 'shock' of mass replacement and justify the adoption of that(how convenient).

What you say could almost have the potential to parallel this Planet of the Apes scenario I've linked below, particularly if a stronger strain appeared(which has in Kazakhstan) or COVID itself mutates into a stronger or deadlier strain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aHdD...

James wrote: "I hope they don't bring in that Blade Runner baseline test in Rona measures to keep us "safe", Iain. Surely we aren't close to that extreme, but I'll discount nothing... Almost anything is currentl..."

A technological mission creep. It will start off in a 'specialist' capacity and then some bright innovation will emerge where they can amalgamate and consolidate tests into one swoop for health, insurance purposes and so on.

The tech is slowly gaining traction. Those Fitbit watches that take your pulse or apps that can measure your macro-nutrient intake will evolve and extend to urine, human waste, sweat, salivia samples and so on being able to be took an analyzed from the comfort of your own home house.

Mood and stress analysis may accompany that as your mental health has baring too on your physical health and from that you can see all sorts of data gathering to compliment a host of areas from medical to law.

The Smart Home: Can It Replace Traditional Healthcare?

https://www.verywellhealth.com/smart-...

Telemedicine & smart homes: the future of healthcare?

https://minesoft.com/2020/01/10/smart...

It's gonna happen mate in the next decade or 2. But with COVID and possible other future pandemics the rate of deployment needed to deal with it could possibly accelerate adoption as well . . . .

Iain wrote: "James wrote: "I hope they don't bring in that Blade Runner baseline test in Rona measures to keep us "safe", Iain. Surely we aren't close to that extreme, but I'll discount nothing... Almost anythi..."

This is throwing it out here, but imagine if also in the future this type of technology was deployed to gather the current ableness, health or efficiency of a human worker(almost like a mini version of Gattica) and perhaps you might find, at least in the early stages, this being deployed to weed out weaknesses or force people to set increased standards and benchmarks if competing against automation.

Might find this being useful if in a future automated world scarcity of work causes folk to be employed and paid on an ad-hoc basis(which digital currency might facilitate better?).

Perhaps you find scenarios where companies are given incentives or even subsidies to hire humans and this kinda tech compliments the hiring process to try keep up a standard in the face of their 'mechanical' counterparts?

It's almost like how sometimes in certain scenarios they hastily implement and subsidize some Green Tech(i.e.e windmills)at the behest of economy even although more efficient fossil fuel solutions could be deployed instead for what ever particular scenario.

Who knows? But what I've learned from COVID is that the door is now open for future drastic measures and solutions as we're becoming habituated to the shock and accompanying impact felt from 'sweeping measures' being implemented as the best courses of action whether commensurate or 'over the top'.

Iain wrote: "It's gonna happen mate in the next decade or 2. ..."

Everything speeding up during Rona time, however - so maybe next year or two?!

Oh, and in case anyone has forgotten the fatality rate according to the CDC remains at 0.26%...That means in theory you have a 99.74% chance of survival...Not bad odds, but wait, it gets better: If you're younger than 70 or fit and healthy or at least don't have an already weakened immune system, the chances of survival are much greater than 99.74%...

However, let's ignore those details as I'm enjoying Ian and Iain's PLANET OF THE APES Armageddon story going on in this thread - reading it is nice fun entertainment and takes my mind off all the horrific measures being done "in the name of" zee virus :)

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "It's gonna happen mate in the next decade or 2. ..."

Everything speeding up during Rona time, however - so maybe next year or two?!

Oh, and in case anyone has forgotten the fatality ..."

Mate your picking me up wrong. I am not putting emphasis on fatality more on the impact of people suffering and the knock-on effect from that. Not everyone dies sure, but it can temporarily incapacitate.

Now imagine, as Ian suggested in our immunity being short-lived, that scenario constantly in a repeating cycle with folk continuously going to hospital and having to go off work, or simple stuff like not being able to look after kids or the threat of passing it on and so into perpetuity. There would be a drain on resources, especially if happening along side common flus and to compound matters 'lockdown' or even the stress via fear of catching the virus can causing other health issues to arise in tandem.

My argument is the danger found in the potency of the r-naught factor.

An analogy could be found in Mustard Gas. It was one of the most potent weapons of WW1. It wasn't an all out killer but it temporarily took soldiers out from fighting and had a major impact on the outcome.

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "It's gonna happen mate in the next decade or 2. ..."

Everything speeding up during Rona time, however - so maybe next year or two?!

Oh, and in case anyone has forgotten the fatality ..."

What about future pandemics? COVID mightn't have a monopoly here.

Other's might emerge and there's signs of this danger.

See:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/...

It's also worth being reminded mate that the 'reaction' and live 'petri dish' component arisen in the wake of stemming COVID and the impact it has had on society, politics, the economy and so on that you've covered, has also proven it could be a useful asymmetric weapon for some countries that can handle the 'blowback' while perhaps providing an artifice of concealment in attribution to avert blame or response(if it already isn't that?)

This might encourage future developments in bio-weaponary from Bad Actors. Food for thought . . . .

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "It's gonna happen mate in the next decade or 2. ..."

Everything speeding up during Rona time, however - so maybe next year or two?!

Oh, and in case anyone has forgotten the fatality ..."

I like how you now call it Rona. Is the Co part no longer applicable?

A form of Newspeak mate? :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNTM9...

Debby, it is true that anything that is not used properly is not going to work properly, so some form of teaching, and maybe redesign of masks may be desired.

As for whether a vaccine is possible, we don't know, but the evidence appears to be that for some people the level of antibodies after infection declines, and have disappeared over two to three months. If infection does not give immunity, a vaccine probably won't.

Iain wrote: "Iain wrote: "James wrote: "I hope they don't bring in that Blade Runner baseline test in Rona measures to keep us "safe", Iain. Surely we aren't close to that extreme, but I'll discount nothing... ..."

Elon Musk would love that for neuralink. It's all about efficiency and being a mindless human-less battery. A windup monkey. He demands efficiency when you don't even know its required or tells you what is going on.

Sky is the limit here , eh>?

Bit like the music business. Cut throat as hell.

Welcome to the Mate trix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm-nf...

Iain wrote: "Elon Musk would love that. It's all about efficiency and being a mindless humanless battery. A windup monkey. He demands efficiency when you don't even know its required...."

Imagine if Musk's employees are transhumanized already and humanless mindless battery workers.

And guys, please don't let me disturb the Armageddon plots here...This is good stuff, I'm enjoying it.

Iain wrote: "Ian wrote: "Iain, I really don't know how/where it originated. The evidence is strongly in favour of it originating in a bat, but how it made the transference to humans is an open question.

Anothe..."

I fear that there may be no long term benefit of a vaccine, although I suppose you could revaccinate more frequently. But if the virus remains as dangerous and behaves like a cold, then yes, there will be strict economic consequences. If everybody in a region either vaccinated at the same time, or locked down at the same time, we could eliminate this virus in said region. NZ has shown it can be done, even if returning people are now trying their best to reintroduce it. The problem with this approach is it has to be EVERYONE, and there will inevitably be some who claim some right not to cooperate, and they will keep the virus alive.

Ian wrote: "Iain wrote: "Ian wrote: "Iain, I really don't know how/where it originated. The evidence is strongly in favour of it originating in a bat, but how it made the transference to humans is an open ques..."

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "Elon Musk would love that. It's all about efficiency and being a mindless humanless battery. A windup monkey. He demands efficiency when you don't even know its required...."

Imagine ..."


So Ian, for a vaccine to work( and for us to avert that pesky looming Armageddon scenario) MASS vaccination in one swoop could be a solution?

You hear that , James? Looks like yer pal Billy Boy Gates is taking over mate.

Oh, god the horror!!! It's doom I tell you. We're all doomed. I seen it with me own eyezes.

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "Elon Musk would love that. It's all about efficiency and being a mindless humanless battery. A windup monkey. He demands efficiency when you don't even know its required...."

Imagine ..."

Are they hiring out in WA if not there then what about Bondi Beach? Do I need to be able to play music? Is being a family member or a friend of the Murdochs or Musk a requisite?

Ian wrote: "I fear that there may be no long term benefit of a vaccine, although I suppose you could revaccinate more frequently..."

Let's just vaccinate ourselves daily, Ian. That'll do it. A daily vaccine forever.

And where you say "if the virus remains as dangerous" you mean as dangerous as a 99.74% recovery rate on average for any aged citizen? (as per the CDC's 0.26% fatality rate) Or were you referring to the Armageddon story you and Iain are co-writing here? If so, I'm enjoying this story? Are you going for a novel or a short story publication? Or how about a Netflix blockbuster?

See, jokes aside, I am seriously focusing on how this will end if the majority sticks to this Bill Gates narrative that the ONLY way to ever beat this is a vaccine or a cure (instead of considering the Swedish model).

That's why I just uploaded this 20 second video where Gladys Berejiklian (Premier of New South Wales here in Australia who is rumoured to be about to follow the state of Victoria and put NSW into 3-4 more months of total lockdown) says "Until we have a vaccine or a cure...life will not be normal." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eCtz...

So what if there is no vaccine that works? What if there is no cure? What will happen eventually? How long can the world (including vulnerable poorer nations) endure Coronavirus measures like nation-wide lockdowns, regional quarantines, self-isolation of numerous citizens and other restrictions?

I mean, might it be possible we could actually reach Armageddon not because of the virus but because of all the measures being done in the name of the virus which could create economic meltdown, immense global poverty, increased crime and eventually new wars?

Or were you referring to the Armageddon story you and Iain are co-writing here? If so, I'm enjoying this story? Are you going for a novel or a short story publication? Or how about a Netflix blockbuster?

Nah, mate. Now you mention fiction and Netflix I was thinking of the Nobel Peace prize instead . . . .

James wrote: "Ian wrote: "I fear that there may be no long term benefit of a vaccine, although I suppose you could revaccinate more frequently..."

Let's just vaccinate ourselves daily, Ian. That'll do it. A dai..."

"I mean, might it be possible we could actually reach Armageddon not because of the virus but because of all the measures being done in the name of the virus which could create economic meltdown, immense global poverty, increased crime and eventually new wars?"

That was my point ya flaming galah

If you listen to Gladys' short audio above (with her Nurse Ratched style voice above) it's clear they have made a decision: There is zero chance to returning to normal reality and every chance of more and more lockdowns and various other measures that will restrict all our lives. And that that could go on forever/indefinitely until and unless a successful vaccine or cure is discovered!

Compare that to the new French Prime Minister who recently said "the economic and human consequences from a total lockdown are disastrous"...

France rules out 'total lockdown' in case of new COVID-19 spike https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2...

The French government said Wednesday it is preparing for a second wave of COVID-19 cases that could emerge in the coming months, but will not respond with another nationwide lockdown to contain the outbreak.

"My aim is to prepare France for an eventual second wave, while preserving our daily life, our economic and social life," new Prime Minister Jean Castex said in an interview on RTL television.

"But we're not going to impose a lockdown like the one we did last March, because we've learned... that the economic and human consequences from a total lockdown are disastrous," he said.

Iain wrote: "That was my point ya flaming galah..."

Okay sorry Alf!

Iain wrote: "Or were you referring to the Armageddon story you and Iain are co-writing here? If so, I'm enjoying this story? Are you going for a novel or a short story publication? Or how about a Netflix blockb..."

Shall we go for the title Rona Wars mate?

you like that?
it has mystery to it as the wars could be wars over the virus, or the wars could be due to the virus containment measures that eventually lead to new wars.

I agree with you tho Iain, the interrelated geopolitics of all this is worth monitoring. I mean, poverty is nations like Indian is rising by the day and they are at breaking point with lockdowns and other restrictions, I'm hearing from Indian friends. So...Could that eventually trigger someone like Indian PM Modi to attack a nation like Pakistan or even China (I guess he's already had skirmishes with Chinese soldiers on the border there, right?)

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "That was my point ya flaming galah..."

Okay sorry Alf!"

OK Guv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c7cp...

Iain wrote: "James wrote: "Iain wrote: "That was my point ya flaming galah..."

Okay sorry Alf!"

OK Guv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c7cp..."

Mate judging by the way that scene ended there Alf might be the vaccine that COVID deserves but not the one needed right now.

Iain wrote: "James wrote: "Iain wrote: "That was my point ya flaming galah..."

Okay sorry Alf!"

OK Guv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c7cp..."

Haha, I thought i was watching Sir Alec Guinness there for a minute!

Iain wrote: "Iain wrote: "James wrote: "Iain wrote: "That was my point ya flaming galah..."

Okay sorry Alf!"

OK Guv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c7cp..."

Mate judging by the way that scene ended ther..."

Incidentally mate what's sanitary conditions like in Aussie hospitals?

And do they not have floor tiles and mats? Judging by what ALf said there at the end it sounds like he's visiting a witch doctors.

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "James wrote: "Iain wrote: "That was my point ya flaming galah..."

Okay sorry Alf!"

OK Guv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c7cp..."

Haha, I thought i was watching Sir Alec Guinn..."

Lol He's the Alec Guinness of Tasmania.

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "Or were you referring to the Armageddon story you and Iain are co-writing here? If so, I'm enjoying this story? Are you going for a novel or a short story publication? Or how about a N..."

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "Or were you referring to the Armageddon story you and Iain are co-writing here? If so, I'm enjoying this story? Are you going for a novel or a short story publication? Or how about a N..."

Or what about "ruma wards"?

Swap the N for an M for the first word? If there's an M in there it would definitely entail a more fictional aspect to it and by appending DS to war it could be an acronym for drug squad too.

Iain wrote: "And do they not have floor tiles and mats? Judging by what ALf said there at the end it sounds like he's visiting a witch doctors...."

yeah that was a weird line..."The dirt he walked in on"

Maybe that actor who plays Alf got confused and thought he was in a period movie set in 1853 Tasmania?

Iain wrote: "I like how you now call it Rona. Is the Co part no longer applicable?

A form of Newspeak mate? :)..."

Didn't you get the memo, Iain? If you write the word Coronavirus and combine that with ANY counter theories to the official narrative, or even question anything about the official narrative, you can be banned by the likes of Facebook, Google, Amazon etc.

Such is Freespeech in 1984...I mean 2020, sorry my mistake.

So words like Corona (which can be confused with the beer) and Rona (which sounds like the name of a chick one might pick up while on that beer) are code words... But don't tell anybody, okay?

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "And do they not have floor tiles and mats? Judging by what ALf said there at the end it sounds like he's visiting a witch doctors...."

yeah that was a weird line..."The dirt he walked..."

And when followed up by that spin chilling threat: "I'll break you in afff!!!"

He wasn't joking about that being a realistic outcome. That bloke was wooden.

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "I like how you now call it Rona. Is the Co part no longer applicable?

A form of Newspeak mate? :)..."

Didn't you get the memo, Iain? If you write the word Coronavirus and combine tha..."

"So words like Corona (which can be confused with the beer) and Rona (which sounds like the name of a chick one might pick up while on that beer) are code words... But don't tell anybody, okay?"

Too late mate. If it's that Aussie Sheila Rona Coleman they've only just went and made a movie about it. Didn't you get the memo?

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/M...

Iain wrote: "He wasn't joking about that being a realistic outcome. That bloke was wooden. ..."

True he was wooden, but you're not getting the deeper levels of Alf's multiverse that he's somehow created within the limited bandwith of H&A.

That actor only looks wooden to you as he's thinking to himself "hang on a minute, if Alf walked in on a dirt floor, then I cannot be in the same modern Sydney hospital I was in before the surgery. This must be some kind of experiment and I've been shipped off to Papua New Guinea. Maybe even a Rona experiment!"

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "He wasn't joking about that being a realistic outcome. That bloke was wooden. ..."

True he was wooden, but you're not getting the deeper levels of Alf's multiverse that he's somehow c..."

As they would say in Star Trek: "This is captain's log".

Sounds barking mad mate.

Iain wrote: "James wrote: "Iain wrote: "I like how you now call it Rona. Is the Co part no longer applicable?

A form of Newspeak mate? :)..."

Didn't you get the memo, Iain? If you write the word Coronavirus a..."

Rona Coleman?

99, do you realize we have just broken a code here? A code that could bring down an Empire?

Rona Coleman is an anagram for Corona 'n Male...

Which means...Males are to blame (according to the narrative).

Which means feminists are behind this whole Rona saga!

Speaking of Australia and beer drinking males...

YouGov data has revealed that positive buzz around Corona beer has increased in Australia during the coronavirus crisis and is predicted to be a boon for beer sales.

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "James wrote: "Iain wrote: "I like how you now call it Rona. Is the Co part no longer applicable?

A form of Newspeak mate? :)..."

Didn't you get the memo, Iain? If you write the word ..."

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "James wrote: "Iain wrote: "I like how you now call it Rona. Is the Co part no longer applicable?

A form of Newspeak mate? :)..."

Didn't you get the memo, Iain? If you write the word ..."

We win!!! We did it captain!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9DyM...

James wrote: "Speaking of Australia and beer drinking males...

YouGov data has revealed that positive buzz around Corona beer has increased in Australia during the coronavirus crisis and is predicted to be a bo..."

Even more sales if Scots are around. Or maybe less in retrospect . . . .

Hands in pockets and that . . .

Oh, and in case anyone has forgotten the fatality rate according to the CDC remains at 0.26%...That means in theory you have a 99.74% chance of survival...Not bad odds, but wait, it gets better: If you're younger than 70 or fit and healthy or at least don't have an already weakened immune system, the chances of survival are much greater than 99.74%...

I just heard on the news that Coronavirus now causes heart damage and responsible for heart problems. So I looked it up and came across this article about post-COVID syndrome.

One Sure Sign You've Already Had Coronavirus, Says Dr. Fauci

https://www.eatthis.com/fauci-post-co...

In other words you are going to die from COVID one way or another.

Roth wrote: "Oh, and in case anyone has forgotten the fatality rate according to the CDC remains at 0.26%...That means in theory you have a 99.74% chance of survival...Not bad odds, but wait, it gets better: If..."

So what's the bad news? Anything else they wanna get of their chest?

No offence Roth, but I can use Google as a temp Dr and typing in a search engine for the causes of a sore toe can lead me to suggestions it could be the onset of Ebola.

The other thing here is viral load? Wouldn't the extent of these side-effects not also be determined upon viral load too, genetic disposition and so on? And how can you determine that COVID is the real primary causation in some of these symptoms?

Iain wrote: "Roth wrote: "Oh, and in case anyone has forgotten the fatality rate according to the CDC remains at 0.26%...That means in theory you have a 99.74% chance of survival...Not bad odds, but wait, it ge..."

Sounds like some of the other monstrosities of scaremongering out there that we hear ever so much without any evidence; just mere opinion and rumor for a calculated outcome might I add . . . .

Iain wrote: "Iain wrote: "Roth wrote: "Oh, and in case anyone has forgotten the fatality rate according to the CDC remains at 0.26%...That means in theory you have a 99.74% chance of survival...Not bad odds, bu..."

It might be true though and if not(?) maybe your average Joe will see through it; if they try and make it uglier than what it really is, eh?

But don't bet your house, land or even your life on it lest you lose everything on a distorted view . . . .

COVID 19 - The Great Reset

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1ynKOqXBXkAJR

Anyone know if gambling is going up due to COVID?

£228 mill due to online slots . . . .

https://twitter.com/the_bigstep/statu...

Iain wrote: "COVID 19 - The Great Reset

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1ynKOqXBXkAJR"

Are the WEF actually calling it the Great Reset?

Roth wrote: "In other words you are going to die from COVID one way or another...."
Are you saying you believe this Roth?
Or that Fauci does?

The story is getting more and more insane...
What next?

ETs that's what's next!
Corona ETs are spreading the virus :)

Iain wrote: "COVID 19 - The Great Reset

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1ynKOqXBXkAJR"

Iain this WEF old boy mentions this 2020 is a "decarbonization of society" and that will "save us from an environmental crisis"!

Are you saying you believe this Roth?
Or that Fauci does?

I certainly don't believe it but I don't think for one second that Fauci does either. They're just going to keep escalating this "crisis" until they get the reaction they want: the masses begging the powers that be to save them. Meanwhile, anyone who doesn't buy it will be seen as the enemy. It's already happening.

Problem - Reaction - Solution?

James wrote: "Iain wrote: "COVID 19 - The Great Reset

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1ynKOqXBXkAJR"

Iain this WEF old boy mentions this 2020 is a "decarbonization of society" and that will "save us from an environmenta..."

Yeah imagine that. What's the next after immobilizing or constricting our movement via transport? Being taxed on the amount of CB you exhale or ordered to restrict how much you can breathe?

I am all for nature as it needs a voice and we're destroying it, but to what extent and how valid is the solutions?

Notice how the 'ol boy' mentioned there was a geopolitical split and now this is an opportunity to pull together?

I was thinking it has caused precisely the opposite in the sense that countries will have discovered how prone they are and become more protectionist as a result, and no doubt that is further influenced by economic stagnation caused by this.

The terming used here in the word 'reset' intimates there's a 'tabula rasa' moment for global relations to start again on good terms. If anything countries will be more parsimonious and suspicious than before due to the handling of this and the question marks over origin.