Fans of The Hollows series by Kim Harrison discussion

I want to start a poll to see how many people will wait and read the whole book and how many will jump right to chapter 22?

Nicole wrote: "I want to start a poll to see how many people will wait and read the whole book and how many will jump right to chapter 22?"

I'll start the poll! I'm going to wait...the way that Kim writes is perfect for the slow burn. I want to experience that chapter the way Kim intended.

It will NOT be easy though! Will have to stay strong!

QUESTION!!! I know this has been answered before, but I can't find it for some reason...when is the very last book coming out? I know I sound like I'm totally getting ahead of myself here since book 12 isn't even out yet...I just want to know how long the next wait will be :)

Mae wrote: "QUESTION!!! I know this has been answered before, but I can't find it for some reason...when is the very last book coming out? I know I sound like I'm totally getting ahead of myself here since bo..."

One year (approximately) from the release of TUP.

Susan wrote: "Mae wrote: "QUESTION!!! I know this has been answered before, but I can't find it for some reason...when is the very last book coming out? I know I sound like I'm totally getting ahead of myself h..."
Poop!! okay...thank you! :) I know..so impatient LOL!

Susan wrote: "Lindsay wrote: "Wow...awesome thanks. Can't wait for the 25th! I may need a cigarette after Chapter 22."

I resemble that remark, Lindsay! What did you think of the way the date would have ended in..."

I think she's trying to convince herself that she doesn't really want it as much she does. It can't hurt as much when you don't get it, right?

Mae wrote: "I love ready y'alls comments! I'm resisting so bad not to read any more than the first chapter though. I want to be able to read it all in one sitting LOL! Which I most likely will be doing when..."

I don't know how you are doing it! I feel like a Hollows junkie, I will take whatever I can get!!

I love savoring each chapter as it comes up. A slow burn, indeed.

Omgosh, and what a good team they make at the end!! They truly balance each other perfectly.

On a different note, I was waiting for the bartender to tell them to get a room!!

I still can't believe they manage to keep their hands off each other for those three months that Rachel is working Trent's security almost every day.

Hehe, instead of reading the teaser chapters, it was sufficient to see everybody else getting excited! (though I had to stop reading the comments closely)

I do hope though that Trenchel is not the sure thing that the previous books hint at. It would be … boring?

I think the past couple books (at least since Pale Demon?), Trent and Rachel have obviously been exploring their feelings for each other. I would call that a super slow burn. I would say that should they (hopefully) finally get together early in the book it has been a long time coming and wouldn't be boring in my opinion. We've been waiting for so long!

There's still some pretty big hoops to jump through still, Ellasbeth, Al, Quen, Cormel, various prejudices from others. Can't wait to read it.

Megan wrote: "I still can't believe they manage to keep their hands off each other for those three months that Rachel is working Trent's security almost every day."

This! lol But, when you think about it, the fact that they've had this hands-off period of three months spent being around each other and getting to know each other will set their relationship apart from any of Rachel's other romantically inclined relationships where sex usually followed pretty quickly. I kind of like that.

Rachel and Marshall spent a couple months just being friends and doing stuff together and we know how that worked out. I dont blame Rachel for taking it slow with her track record but I don't think she felt anything close with Marshall than she does with Trent. Seems to me it would've been torture to spend all that time together and not touch at all.

I always forget about Marshall - he was so bland - so I never really count him. lol

Susan wrote: "Lindsay wrote: "Wow...awesome thanks. Can't wait for the 25th! I may need a cigarette after Chapter 22."

I resemble that remark, Lindsay! What did you think of the way the date would have ended in..."

Me Too! I think she was just beginning to understand what she could have and wanted that last kiss if she was going to hurt anyway. At this point when she thinks it through she is going to be too far in emotional to get out without pain.

She already cares too much and her emotions are involved while her mind is resisting admitting it.

I can't decide if Trent truly wants to work something out with Ellasbeth at this point or if he has a secret plan. We all know Trent is a planner!

I loved chapter 5! The man (view spoiler)[ growled! Didn't know he had it in him lol (hide spoiler)]

Megan wrote: "I can't decide if Trent truly wants to work something out with Ellasbeth at this point or if he has a secret plan. We all know Trent is a planner!"

I don't think he WANTS to, I just think he's resigned himself to it.

Right, Zee? :)

Veronica G. wrote: "Megan wrote: "I can't decide if Trent truly wants to work something out with Ellasbeth at this point or if he has a secret plan. We all know Trent is a planner!"

I don't think he WANTS to, I just ..."

LOL that's my take! I think he is a responsible man. He's accepted his faith unless someone else reminds him otherwise...

methinks that if Quen gets on board with, "be happy, forget responsibility", it's a done deal for Trenchel. But, would that ever happen?

Good question, Susan. I get a little annoyed with Quen that he seems to be backing this whole political marriage to that woman. I know the elves have an entirely different, and out-dated, view of women and marriage in general (at least in the upper crust), but geez, I feel like Quen should want Trent to find some measure of personal happiness. He found his with Ceri.

But the whole need-to-marry-Ellasbeth thing makes no sense to me anymore because Lucy already exists. The Kalamacks and the Withons are joined forever now through her so why isn't Trent and Ellasbeth co-parenting (and not being married) enough?

Veronica G. wrote: "Good question, Susan. I get a little annoyed with Quen that he seems to be backing this whole political marriage to that woman. I know the elves have an entirely different, and out-dated, view of..."

And I think we need to remember that most of what we are basing this on is the old Quen. The one that hasn't felt the loss of Ceri. We haven't really gotten a feel for or any insight into Quen (post-Ceri). How will his attitude change? He has loved and lost now. That seems to change people forever. Not to mention, he has lived 3 months with Ellasbeth. (That should certainly make the water clearer!)

Zeenat wrote: "I loved chapter 5! The man [spoilers removed]"

Yes, Zee. That was insightful to say the least, eh? Makes me that much more excited for chapter 22!

Veronica G. wrote: "But the whole need-to-marry-Ellasbeth thing makes no sense to me anymore because Lucy already exists. The Kalamacks and the Withons are joined forever now through her so why isn't Trent and Ellasbeth co-parenting (and not being married) enough? "

I think a lot of the pressure is a cultural backlash. Elves have their way of doing things and they view it as the only "right way". Trent (and for that matter, Ellasbeth) is kind of stuck in that "child of immigrant" type of deal. Trent especially being so entrenched with the other cultures (Witches, Humans) and he grew up watching his parents work with Rachel's dad... He is really stuck.

Susan wrote: "And I think we need to remember that most of what we are basing this on is the old Quen. The one that hasn't felt the loss of Ceri. We haven't really gotten a feel for or any insight into Quen (post-Ceri). How will his attitude change? He has loved and lost now. That seems to change people forever. Not to mention, he has lived 3 months with Ellasbeth. (That should certainly make the water clearer!) "

No, in Ever After, after Rachel rescued Lucy, Quen seemed to be on the "marriage with Ellasbeth" train, although he wanted Rachel to be in his life so "he can be who he wants to be".

But Maybe you are right. Living with Ellasbeth for 3 months could change things! Why would you want that woman near your CHILDREN!?!? lol I know the Hollows world is forgiving... BUT forgiveness does not mean you have to but kids in unhealthy situations!

Zeenat wrote: "No, in Ever After, after Rachel rescued Lucy, Quen seemed to be on the "marriage with Ellasbeth" train, although he wanted Rachel to be in his life so "he can be who he wants to be"."

Yeah, but Ceri's death hadn't really soaked in yet. This is a man that never thought he'd find true love. Duty was everything. Life has changed, but will it soften his heart and make urge him to live in the moment or make him an even stauncher advocate of duty?

But then, along the lines of what you are saying, I believe that VNF put a quote out there on her ARC read. It seems telling, but I can't quite find it. (therefore can't quote it, grr) VNF...can you help us out? It's the quote with Quen in Rachel's church.

Susan wrote: "Zeenat wrote: "No, in Ever After, after Rachel rescued Lucy, Quen seemed to be on the "marriage with Ellasbeth" train, although he wanted Rachel to be in his life so "he can be who he wants to be"...."

Sorry for the absence. The Olympics (namely figure skating) has my full attention :P. The quote with Quen. The only one I posted was

""Warriors build empires around the kernel of truth that others overlook," came Quen's soft voice, and then there was nothing but his steps going fainter until the boom of the church's front door."

If I missed anything let me know, it's all here:
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...

VampireNovelFan wrote: "Susan wrote: "Zeenat wrote: "No, in Ever After, after Rachel rescued Lucy, Quen seemed to be on the "marriage with Ellasbeth" train, although he wanted Rachel to be in his life so "he can be who he..."

awe, thanks VNF! No apologies necessary!

VampireNovelFan wrote: "Susan wrote: "Zeenat wrote: "No, in Ever After, after Rachel rescued Lucy, Quen seemed to be on the "marriage with Ellasbeth" train, although he wanted Rachel to be in his life so "he can be who he..."

I still have no idea why Quen says that.

Nicole wrote: "I want to start a poll to see how many people will wait and read the whole book and how many will jump right to chapter 22?"

When I get the book I will start with page 1 and not stop until I hit the back cover! No jumping although I have read the 1-5 released chapters, I will read them again. I love Kim's writng style and love to keep in intact.

Chapter 22 will mean much, much more if you read everything that comes before it.

How many chapters total? Just curious :)

Veronica wrote: "VampireNovelFan wrote: "Susan wrote: "Zeenat wrote: "No, in Ever After, after Rachel rescued Lucy, Quen seemed to be on the "marriage with Ellasbeth" train, although he wanted Rachel to be in his l..."

"I still have no idea why Quen says that."

Well, maybe we'll have a discussion on that too after we all read TUP!?

@Lindsay - Not sure how many chapters since I don't have my kindle handy but it's her usual 33 to 34-ish, I think. It went by way too fast for me, that's all I know! lol

@Susan - I'm looking forward to a lot of discussion once everyone has read it. I'm looking forward to my re-read because I know I missed a lot on my first pass through. :)

Who thinks in one week at this time, I will be done with the book? :P LOL!

Zeenat wrote: "Who thinks in one week at this time, I will be done with the book? :P LOL!"

LOL! I do Zeenat!

I really tried to stretch out my reading of Ever After, but I was done in the afternoon lol

You're going to absolutely blow through this one, Zee. :)

I feel like it's Christmas Eve :)

4 hours and 14 minutes central time!!!!

I'm hanging on here in VA! Can't wait until the witching hour and the buying can begin!!

Jippie :D! Let the reading begin ;).

OMG guys.... it was AMAZING. Bookgasm!

Detailed thoughts to come later.

Veronica wrote: "You're going to absolutely blow through this one, Zee. :)"

I finished around 8 :P lol 10 hours minus sleep so.... like almost 4 hours? ;) (And yeah I reread the first 5 chapters lol)

Zeenat wrote: "Veronica wrote: "You're going to absolutely blow through this one, Zee. :)"

I finished around 8 :P lol 10 hours minus sleep so.... like almost 4 hours? ;) (And yeah I reread the first 5 chapters..."

You're a reading animal, lol. Sooo, I take it you liked it? ;)

It was amazing! Now I have to go back and read it slowly!!!

OK... I read it. It was amazing. But now I want the next one!!!!

okay, so who knew Trent "had siblings"?

I think I'll go back and reread at around chapter 21-22 :)

Does any one else hope she gets a few mystics back in the next book?