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Debby wrote: "Ian J Miller, AN angry woman screamed at me about scarring on the lungs from the plague. I wanted to scream back. 5 months ago, I was diagnosed with scarring on my lungs, which should have been investigated, but hasn't been because it predates Rona by decades. I just hope it's not caused by something dangerous or it will be diagnosed months too late...."

Good on you for calling it the Rona!
Calling it the C-19 word gives it way too much power for something with this low a fatality rate...Let's save those big fancy scientific terms for when/if we actually have the Spanish Flu 2.0 or even an Armageddon-level plague...

IMPORTANT - SEE VIDEO LINK BELOW

This Italian doctor says COVID-19 means the “Certificate of Vaccination Identification with artificial intelligence.” (microchips)

It is not the name of the virus - it is rather the name of the international plan for the control and reduction of populations.
It will be used to identify whether a person has been vaccinated in order to receive benefits from the State.

Dr.Roberto Petrella - The Depopulation Agenda - “Don’t Get Tested”
https://www.bitchute.com/video/OQHz9F...

Anni, I am not getting tested, here, anyone testing positive is taken into custody which is unacceptable

Debby wrote: "Anni, I am not getting tested, here, anyone testing positive is taken into custody which is unacceptable"

Is NZ the only country outside of China that's doing that?
And has there been much reporting of what these managed virus detention centres look like?

Scarier version is if numbers of infected ever increase, the state of these detention centres could start to resemble prisons more...Especially if NZ keeps up the end of the world narrative...

For me, Jacinda barely looks or sounds ready to even be a backbencher in parliament. And having gone thru the cult of Seventh Day Adventism and left, she seems to have swapped that for Scientism...

James wrote: "Debby wrote: "Anni, I am not getting tested, here, anyone testing positive is taken into custody which is unacceptable"

Is NZ the only country outside of China that's doing that?
And has there be..."

Apparently she is a big pal of Bill Gates - what a surprise!

Italian Doctor reveals that there is a reason the virus is being referred to as yada yada 19.
I can't post the link but I can tell you how to find it.
You tube:
Extremely Urgent Warning
16,797 views•Aug 25, 2020

Rise Up Children Of God

Kathryn in FL wrote: "Italian Doctor reveals that there is a reason the virus is being referred to as yada yada 19.
I can't post the link but I can tell you how to find it.
You tube:
Extremely Urgent Warning
16,797 view..."

I have posted this link above - message 804 - cheers, Anni

James, you have a comprehension problem. Since when has a complaint about fake news and a surfeit of political hot air shown "absolute faith and trust in authorities"? Politicians are just as capable of issuing fake news - the only restriction on them is fact checking, which should apply to all information these days.

Ian wrote: "James, you have a comprehension problem. Since when has a complaint about fake news and a surfeit of political hot air shown "absolute faith and trust in authorities"? Politicians are just as capab..."

Okay, it appears I misunderstood something you said here.
But I was following on the previous trust in authorities you've exhibited in this whole virus saga all along.

I just don't trust the whole narrative mate - and altho my opinion was an extreme minority back in March when lockdowns began, more and more skeptics are now coming to the party...

Anni wrote: "Apparently she is a big pal of Bill Gates - what a surprise!..."

Anni, I originally read this as "pig pal" of Billy.

But actually, that somehow seems an appropriate headline: Jacinda Ardern, the Pig Pal of Bill Gates!

:)

Kathryn in FL wrote: "Italian Doctor reveals that there is a reason the virus is being referred to as yada yada 19.
I can't post the link but I can tell you how to find it.
You tube:
Extremely Urgent Warning
16,797 view..."

Thanks Anni (where was it posted?), I am sorry but my browser doesn't allow you tube links.

Thanks Anni -
You tube removed that video since I originally posted it.
I do want to say, that the people who have this channel, have been showing their stripes? I have watched for many years off and on, I've met them personally and now find that they seem to be "working" both sides of the street for the elites? All I can say is that some of their sources seem very questionable to me and more recent statements they have made, seem to further discredit themselves as they try to defend their associations.
I don't want anyone to think I am solely recommending all that they say.

@ Kathryn
The link was on Alistair Williams’ YT Superchat channel -
Episode title RULE BRITANNIA RULES

It was postEd by Dave Smith in reply to a comment by Susan Douglas :
https://youtu.be/-ZvIzP_jvNM
Hope you can find it that way.

James wrote: "Anni wrote: "Apparently she is a big pal of Bill Gates - what a surprise!..."

Anni, I originally read this as "pig pal" of Billy.

But actually, that somehow seems an appropriate headline: Jacinda..."

He he!

This may potentially allude to cases of Influenza being creatively reclassified as Rona...

From Southern Hemisphere, Hints That U.S. May Be Spared Flu On Top Of COVID-19 https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsand...
This year's flu season in the Southern Hemisphere was weirdly mild.

A surprisingly small number of people in the Southern Hemisphere have gotten the flu this year

This is mind blowing information.

Youtube video
Human 2.0 ~ A Wake Up Call To The World
19,803 views•Aug 18, 2020

aplanetruth5 (poster)

James wrote: "This may potentially allude to cases of Influenza being creatively reclassified as Rona...

From Southern Hemisphere, Hints That U.S. May Be Spared Flu On Top Of COVID-19 https://www.npr.org/sectio..."

In NZ anyway, part of the reason for diminished flu may be the precautions people are taking to avoid SARS-CoV-2

Flu season usually is quite short tho, usually only 14-16 weeks over winter. So NZ lockdown was fully over for first 75% over the flu season... Hmmm

So i wouldn't discount a reclassification of old flu that's always existed. Especially as keep in mind the vast majority of flu cases, even in the incidences where people die of flu, were not tested in the lab, but were rather labelled under the ambiguous ILI (which from memory stands for Influenza Like Illness)... And so it's interesting that even the media reports now that this new virus has Influenza-like symptoms...

James wrote: "Flu season usually is quite short tho, usually only 14-16 weeks over winter. So NZ lockdown was fully over for first 75% over the flu season... Hmmm"

Yes, but there were some restrictions, and of course they are back more fully. The point I was making is maybe we are more alert to how infection arises, like better hygiene and keeping away from people where reasonable. Another point is that flu for the season tends to arrive with visitors, and we quarantine our visitors, which should also lead to fewer flu opportunities. Life here this winter is somewhat different from the average winter.

Ian wrote: "Yes, but there were some restrictions, and of course they are back more fully. The point I was making is maybe we are more alert to how infection arises, like better hygiene and keeping away from people where reasonable. Another point is that flu for the season tends to arrive with visitors, and we quarantine our visitors, which should also lead to fewer flu opportunities. Life here this winter is somewhat different from the average winter...."

Am aware of those points, and you can certainly formulate an argument in that direction...but I posted an article earlier in this thread which showed Influenza is down by 95% in NZ and 85% in Australia this year. Enormous drops especially as both nations had very few restrictions still in place by early winter...

Anyway, this is what I referring to earlier...

Influenza-like illness is a nonspecific respiratory illness characterized by fever, fatigue, cough, and other symptoms that stop within a few days. Most cases of ILI are caused not by influenza but by other viruses (e.g., rhinoviruses, coronaviruses, human respiratory syncytial virus, adenoviruses, and human parainfluenza viruses). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influen...

Ian J Miller, or not! Despite mixing with students, some of them teenage, I have never got flu, not in 15 years. House arrest has made no difference

Ian J Miller, You seem to have a low opinion of people generally if you think that (women and children especially) are practicing hygiene any differently than they always did

Debby, you have no idea of my opinion of people. You can take extra care with washing hands and not scratching your nose when there is a pandemic about without having been dirty before. The fact you have not got the flu in fifteen years is irrelevant - many others have and now maybe not as much. Good for you for not getting it, but that doesn't extrapolate to everyone.

UK lockdown was a ‘monumental mistake’ and must not happen again – Boris scientist says https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/...
LOCKDOWN will come to be seen as a "monumental mistake on a global scale" and must never happen again, a scientist who advises the Government on infectious diseases says.

Prof Woolhouse OBE, a member of the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behaviours that advises the Government, said: “Lockdown was a panic measure and I believe history will say trying to control Covid-19 through lockdown was a monumental mistake on a global scale, the cure was worse than the disease.

“I never want to see national lockdown again. It was always a temporary measure that simply delayed the stage of the epidemic we see now. It was never going to change anything fundamentally, however low we drove down the number of cases, and now we know more about the virus and how to track it we should not be in this position again."

Hong Kong begins mass COVID-19 testing effort as critics urge boycott https://twitter.com/i/events/13007920...
Nearly 650,000 people signed up for the Beijing-led testing effort, which aims to prevent a "third wave" of cases in the city. However, pro-democracy activists and healthcare workers are urging a boycott of the effort over fears that the DNA samples could be sent to China.

BBC running about 5 or 6 months behind this group, given that we repeatedly reported scientists saying exactly this back in March (including quoting the scientist who created the PCR test technology as saying that it is not at all an accurate way to test for infectious diseases)...

Coronavirus: Tests 'could be picking up dead virus' https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54000629

The main test used to diagnose coronavirus is so sensitive it could be picking up fragments of dead virus from old infections, scientists say.

As the great Sherlock Holmes said, ‘When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.’ This is why I’m interested in what the conspiracy theorists have to say about the issues surrounding coronavirus. For me, the official narrative simply doesn’t add up.

My scepticism began back in February/ March when our UK news was full of horror stories about outbreaks on cruise ships. The media were clearly expecting a field day in terms of deaths. This didn’t happen. Even on the Diamond Princess, which I gather was the worst affected vessel, the death toll only reached 14, equating to about 1/200 of the total number of passengers. Yes, a very nasty virus, but certainly not the Black Death, the bubonic plague or the Spanish flu. And we’re talking about a ship mostly full of pensioners, here – the most vulnerable group in society. Needless to say, the media quickly lost interest in the story.

My second wave of scepticism (excuse the pun), came when countries started to announce lockdown. Now, I’m not saying that Western governments are all sweetness and light, but I don’t believe they intentionally go out to kill people for the sake of it. That said, they have never shied away from ‘collateral damage’ to achieve what they see as the greater good. Recent UK examples of this government mindset include the Iraq War, the bombing of Libya and a decade of economic austerity. So why, I asked myself, would they risk damaging their societies and destroying their economies for a virus like this?

I thought it obvious at the time that more people would suffer and die over the coming months and years from the economic fallout, mental health issues and neglect of diseases like cancer, caused by lockdown, than were ever going to die of coronavirus, so why did the world’s governments pursue this policy en masse?

Was it to save their underfunded health services? Possibly, but that wouldn’t explain why countries with well-funded models like Germany adopted the policy. Was it the madness of crowds; a sort of 21st century ‘Tulipomania’? Surely not; governments contain and are advised by the world’s finest minds. At a loss to explain it, I questioned who had the most to gain by lockdown and the answer was crystal clear: the major pharmaceutical companies and big tech.

I’ve no idea whether these powerful groups ordered lockdown, lobbied for it or were simply innocent bystanders who benefited from it – I’m not on personal terms with Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos et al, and I’ll never know.

Anyway, fast forward 6 months. Where do matters stand in the UK now? The official death toll is about 40,000. That’s half the number of people who died in the 1968-9 winter flu epidemic and just over double the number who die annually from more serious outbreaks of flu nowadays. Of course, this figure includes people who died with the virus and not necessarily of it. It also includes an unknown number of people who were never given a post-mortem. Therefore, we have no idea of the real figure.

Whatever it is, would it have been higher if we hadn’t locked down? Considering the nature of infectious diseases, it probably would have been, but it was never going to be off the scale. Much as the media might have wanted this to be some sort of Biblical plague, from the moment we saw what happened onboard those cruise ships, it was never going to be the case.

Britain aside, I’ve believed all along that one of the acid tests as to the severity of coronavirus is how it affects less prosperous areas of the globe. If this virus is as bad as we’ve been told then surely it would have decimated Indian shanty towns and certain areas of Africa? Unless the media are choosing to ignore this, which I very much doubt, it appears not to have happened. There are reports of huge numbers of cases, yes, but not a peep about the death toll. All in all, I think these poor people have more to worry about.

Back to the UK, and we’ve now moved on to the debate about regional lockdowns and face masks. But, as these are new chapters in this strange saga, I’ll leave them for another day.

Beau wrote: "As the great Sherlock Holmes said, ‘When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.’ This is why I’m interested in what the conspiracy theorists ha..."

Nice analysis Beau - and I think you've hit the proverbial nail on the head: 'cui bono' - i.e always follow the money and see where it leads. In this case, straight to Big Pharma (and Bill Gates) who are going to make billions out of the vaccination programs.
That leads us to why all the governments in the civilised world are in cahoots with all this? Bribery? Corruption? Blackmail?

So something in Melbourne/Victoria is being tested here, I feel...this is carrying on until November now... Australia's state of Victoria is the worst place in the world right now...

Coronavirus: Melbourne lockdown extended as new roadmap plan revealed | 9News Australia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knHd9...

'Dan Andrews has restarted lockdown, and the media is helping him lie': Murray https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE4wA...

Thanks, Anni. I have to be honest; I’m still making up my mind about governments’ motives. I can’t work out if this is initial incompetence followed by an attempt to limit the damage to their reputations, fear of being seen to be callous by the media, or part of some grand plan. What do you think?

And thanks for starting up this group, James. I’m appalled by what’s happening in Melbourne. Our own mainstream media has very little to say about it. In fact, the impression I get from them is that most Victorians are just accepting the situation. I see that you live in (comparatively nearby) Sydney. Can you enlighten me? Generally, what is the Aussie on the street saying about all this? Are protests in Victoria more widespread than we’re being led to believe, here in the UK?

At the moment, 2 things are of particular interest to me.

The first is the role of the media, and I see this concerns you too.
The UK media like to regard themselves as the best in the world. They take a pride in their fierce independence and determination to uncover the truth. Yet, on this most contentious of issues, all they can do is parrot the ‘party line’.

In fact, I am aware of only 1 single mainstream journalist who has consistently argued against the perceived threat of coronavirus: Peter Hitchens.

Hitchens is a conservative (with a small ‘c’) libertarian. In the beginning, he was ridiculed by most other commentators, but a few others are now sticking their heads above the parapet and coming around to his way of thinking.

As far as I can see, this extraordinary lack of media scrutiny can be explained in 1 of 3 ways:

1. There is no doubt that coronavirus is as deadly as the world’s governments claim it is and anyone questioning this is a fool. (I explain why I don’t believe this to be the case in my first post.)

2. Mainstream journalism is, contrary to how it perceives itself, grossly incompetent. As the standards of many other professions have dramatically fallen in recent years, this could well be the case.

3. The media are being leant on. It’s easy to envisage a scenario where exceptionally powerful people, with vested interests, lean on media moguls. They, in turn, lean on editors who lean on their journalists. I find this the most plausible argument.

The second point of interest for me is the public’s reaction to the coronavirus restrictions and how this bodes for the future.

There are clearly many people who believe that the virus is a huge threat to society and act accordingly. It is logical for them to obey, and support, the various restrictions.

It is equally obvious that many other people are sceptical. At the moment, I would suggest the bulk of this group simply can’t be bothered to protest. They have their own lives to lead and don’t feel passionately enough about the situation to confront the authorities and risk trouble.

But what if they did? What if the restrictions are notched up another level? Here lies the million-dollar question.

Beau wrote: "But what if they did? What if the restrictions are notched up another level? Here lies the million-dollar question."

Technically establishments can make their rules and I don't think there's any legality to stop them. I could refuse to wear a mask, but then what? I get into a fight with an employee and a video of me is shared with millions of people? Not worth the risk to me.

But Joey B. wants us to wear them everywhere, outside. That's where I draw the line and if that edict comes to pass I will flout it.

Beau wrote: "Thanks, Anni. I have to be honest; I’m still making up my mind about governments’ motives. I can’t work out if this is initial incompetence followed by an attempt to limit the damage to their reput..."

I reckon your first point about the Government motive (certainly here in the U.K.) is correct - being one of damage limitation to their reputation, after their initial complete bungling of the situation. Ironically however, the public’s faith in their judgement is collapsing by the day, along with trust in the medical establishment who are also to blame. The MSM and BBC lost their reputation ages ago.

Beau wrote : ‘it is equally obvious that many other people are sceptical. At the moment, I would suggest the bulk of this group simply can’t be bothered to protest. They have their own lives to lead and don’t feel passionately enough about the situation to confront the authorities and risk trouble.”

It reminds me of the line from W B Yeats poem, The Second Coming:
‘The best lack all conviction whilst the worst are full of passionate intensity’

A Moderna (a Big Pharma corporation) March 2019 patent specifically references "a deliberate Coronavirus release" - what are the odds of that?

EXCLUSIVE: Covid Vaccine Patent Warned of "Deliberate Coronavirus Release" 9 Month's Before COVID-19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_co...

I see exactly where you're coming from, Scott. I feel the same way.

I don't believe there is widespread support for masks in the UK. One only had to visit shops in the days after the mask rule was introduced, but before it came into force, to see this. In my local city, I would say that no more than 1 in 10 people wore them in shops, at that time. Now it is near-total compliance. Unless everyone has had a 'Road to Damascus' moment, this is clearly to avoid a fine and confrontation with staff.

That said, I haven't met anyone (who isn't a mask enthusiast) who says they are willing to wear one outdoors. I can't see how they would ever police it.

I know we hear about countries like Spain, where they've enforced the rule, but I imagine there's little compliance outside of the main metropolitan shopping areas. Of course, the TV pictures don't show this but they wouldn't, would they?

My main personal concern is that we follow the US and enforce masks in gyms. That is when I will get annoyed. Minor inconvenience is one thing but messing up your own health for questionable science is another. Fortunately, at the moment, common sense seems to prevail.

Anni, I really hope you're right. Although forming policy to hide initial bungling is terrible at so many levels, I actually think it is a preferable scenario to the idea of a grand plan. That thought frightens me.

By the way, I love your Yeats quote. I'd never seen it before. I think it's pretty apt for today's world. It's a good lesson in being moderate and one of the reasons I choose not to go on social media. Goodreads is far more civilised :)

Thank you Beau Bruce!

James Morcan, a deliberate release! Oh and regarding the video game you mentioned, RT had an article about it, the game was made by the video arm of German TV and paid for by their government!

James wrote: "So something in Melbourne/Victoria is being tested here, I feel...this is carrying on until November now... Australia's state of Victoria is the worst place in the world right now...

Coronavirus: ..."
Max Igan said the same thing plus that Andrews should go to jail. I saw the video of a young pregnant mom being arrested in front of her kids in her pajamas (and her home was to be searched plus her computers taken) for forwarding a facebook post! I'm sure you saw it. Did everyone see it? They even cuffed her and everything and I saw at least 4 cops there just for one young tiny prego lady
SMH

James wrote: "A Moderna (a Big Pharma corporation) March 2019 patent specifically references "a deliberate Coronavirus release" - what are the odds of that?

EXCLUSIVE: Covid Vaccine Patent Warned of "Deliberate..."

wow just wow.

Debby wrote: "James Morcan, a deliberate release! Oh and regarding the video game you mentioned, RT had an article about it, the game was made by the video arm of German TV and paid for by their government!"

Thanks for letting me know, Debby - sounds like they are trying to make this the ForeverNORMAL...

Beau wrote: "That said, I haven't meant anyone (who isn't a mask enthusiast) who says they are willing to wear one outdoors. I can't see how they would ever police it."

There is a popular walking trail near my house that I try to get out on every day if the weather is temperate. For a while there were signs telling people to stay six feet apart "or the trail will be closed." Occasionally I have seen police going up and down the trail on bikes and a couple times even in their car. Sure, they can't be everywhere but I could see them trying.

Most of the people I see out walking do not wear masks and the ones who do wear a mask are usually elderly people. It kills me inside to see little kids running around with masks. I had to unfollow a close friend because she kept posting pictures of her 9 year-old daughter outside with a mask. She thinks they are cute. I find them sad.

Scott wrote: "Beau wrote: "That said, I haven't meant anyone (who isn't a mask enthusiast) who says they are willing to wear one outdoors. I can't see how they would ever police it."

There is a popular walking ..."

Totally agree, Scott. I was (mask-free) in my local shopping precinct today without anyone bothering or even giving me a second glance.
I had my exemption card ready in my pocket, but it wasn't needed. And yet I saw sad individuals sitting on benches outside in glorious sunshine wearing masks. They look so pathetic and browbeaten with fear, I can't bear to look at them. What a terrible pass we have come to!

On a lighter note, thought I'd quickly share a story with you about something that just happened to my little sister. It certainly brings into question how seriously some shop staff are taking the mask rule and the perceived threat of coronavirus.

It's my sister's day off and she's just visited a supermarket to buy alcohol. She told me that she was asked to provide ID, which she was very pleased about because she's 36. Unfortunately, she didn't have any, so the shopkeeper asked her to remove her face mask so he could better judge her age.

Brilliant!

The 1% blunder: How a simple but fatal math mistake by US Covid-19 experts caused the world to panic and order lockdowns https://www.rt.com/op-ed/500000-covid...

Jesus, so the UK appears to be beginning a new lockdown??

Coronavirus news - live: Boris Johnson announces new restrictions as Matt Hancock says second lockdown cannot be ruled out https://www.independent.co.uk/news/he...
Follow all the latest updates and statistics on the pandemic around the world

James wrote: "Jesus, so the UK appears to be beginning a new lockdown??

Coronavirus news - live: Boris Johnson announces new restrictions as Matt Hancock says second lockdown cannot be ruled out https://www.in..."

Matt Hancock has refused to rule out a second lockdown, despite assurances by the prime minister.

The health secretary said the government’s aim was to “avoid having to do anything more drastic by people following the rules”, but he told LBC he would not rule out a return to lockdown, saying: “I wouldn't make a vow like that.”

He also appeared to suggest a ban on gatherings of more than six people in England from Monday could last until Christmas.

James wrote: "James wrote: "Jesus, so the UK appears to be beginning a new lockdown??

Coronavirus news - live: Boris Johnson announces new restrictions as Matt Hancock says second lockdown cannot be ruled out ..."

Why are they doubling down when there are fewer actual deaths?
This is getting more and more crazy.

Anni, i think they worried about the UK public protests that are gaining serious momentum.

SO making it illegal for more than 6 people outdoors (not only indoors) might end these protests.

But still, it's fantastic that the UK is a democracy (within a Monarchy!)... haha

If you do it, do it right the first time. Half and half gets the worst of both worlds.