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Scott, I might be showing my age but what's an MMO?

Spot on with your last post, James. I'm looking forward to getting a copy of your lockdown-related book over the weekend.

Thanks, all.

Beau, a MMO is a massively multiplayer online game. Thousands of people all over the world playing together.

Sometimes even if I'm not actually playing the story I'll just go on to "hang out"...take on events with other people or just watch the chat.

Reminds me that other people are out there.

Scott wrote: "Thanks, all.

Beau, a MMO is a massively multiplayer online game. Thousands of people all over the world playing together.

Sometimes even if I'm not actually playing the story I'll just go on to "..."

Thanks for the info. I don't know a lot about online/ computer games but once played something called Civilisation, which was fantastic. I also played Pac-Man back in the days of Atari, which was even better ;)

James wrote: "GR wrote: "I've always had the philosophy: give a person something he like to do and let him do it.,..."

How about this philosophy: give a person FREEDOM.

How'd do you like them apples? Is that t..."

What is freedom? I've been trying to figure that out for most of my life. And don't give me: Freedom to go outside, freedom to breathe air, freedom to piss. That's nonsense. What is FREEDOM? To me, the only true Freedom is to think and explore ideas. As long as one has his mind, he is free.

FREEDOM is tied to MONEY! The more you have the more you get. And that's it--the American way! Can you go into space like Richard Branson? Explore ideas to your mind's content like Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk on energy. Tell me what you can do without money, besides nonsense?

Freedom to go outside, freedom to breathe, freedom to piss.

Scott wrote: "I'm glad you don't need much social interaction--I used to be that way too--but most people do. I have plenty to "do" but it's no substitute for seeing people and talking to them in person.

I did..."

Get interested in a hobby, get involved with your inner mind, explore the possibilities of ideas, write, draw, play an instrument, create!

But of course that takes thinking. Most people like to bitch and not do anything.

EN wrote: "Scott wrote: "I'm glad you don't need much social interaction--I used to be that way too--but most people do. I have plenty to "do" but it's no substitute for seeing people and talking to them in p..."

Read "The YOU beyond you" ;)

James Morcan, I have read that before, about incentives to report deaths as Covid.

Debby wrote: "James Morcan, I have read that before, about incentives to report deaths as Covid."
Well Debby most of the deaths across the world are reported as COVID deaths. What's funny is that if you compare the number of deaths of last year due to all reasons when COVID was non-existent and this year's, you would find that the number of deaths is in the same range. Weird!!

Scott, my son plays those games, and really enjoys the interactions. I thought we had it rough here in New Zealand but I was talking to an American online who has been in lockdown for 7 months! Two friends in Italy have been in quarantine for 35+ days, one because he's got Covid (he's recovering well despite being vulnerable) the other because she was in the same school as a boy who tested +ve, 9 days before she was locked up (she's a teacher)

EN wrote: "Get interested in a hobby, get involved with your inner mind, explore the possibilities of ideas, write, draw, play an instrument, create!..."

Oh, I keep busy alright...My hobby is being pro-freedom and exposing anyone who justify anti-freedom measures...

Wake up...our lives are getting more and more restricted here and you're rabbiting on about finding joys in the little things...People did that in the camps during the Holocaust too, they found some small things to keep themselves sane, that doesn't mean they just accepted their lives as normal however.

Debby wrote: "James Morcan, I have read that before, about incentives to report deaths as Covid."

Big incentives.

Ramzi wrote: "Debby wrote: "James Morcan, I have read that before, about incentives to report deaths as Covid."
Well Debby most of the deaths across the world are reported as COVID deaths. What's funny is that i..."

George Floyd was probably listed as a Corona death, Ramzi!

EN wrote: "Get interested in a hobby, get involved with your inner mind, explore the possibilities of ideas, write, draw, play an instrument, create!

But of course that takes thinking. Most people like to bitch and not do anything."

I have plenty of hobbies, troll, and as for thinking I probably do far too much of that already.

I've just woken up and I'm going to do my first constructive thing of the day, which is blocking you and your obvious sock puppet.

James wrote: "Ramzi wrote: "Debby wrote: "James Morcan, I have read that before, about incentives to report deaths as Covid."
Well Debby most of the deaths across the world are reported as COVID deaths. What's f..."

He sure was. A big COVID pinned him to the ground by his neck.

Ramzi wrote: "He sure was. A big COVID pinned him to the ground by his neck...."

haha!

Scott wrote: "EN wrote: "Get interested in a hobby, get involved with your inner mind, explore the possibilities of ideas, write, draw, play an instrument, create!

But of course that takes thinking. Most people..."

Some people on here are still happy to be sheeples, sad to say. They will never take the red pill - so be it, they were warned and refused to listen.

James wrote: "Ramzi wrote: "He sure was. A big COVID pinned him to the ground by his neck...."

haha!"

Anni wrote: "Scott wrote: "EN wrote: "Get interested in a hobby, get involved with your inner mind, explore the possibilities of ideas, write, draw, play an instrument, create!

But of course that takes thinkin..."

After the big bust and DT's Q-anon fraud, I'm hoping that things will return to normalcy. But you know how that is. I don't think Americans like normalcy. As long as I can remember, people were at odds. Opposites never got together unless each profited from the compromise. As Nixon once told my father (yes, they were golfing chums), "I'll never accept Medicare unless you can make it profitable to special interests." And you know what that did--insurance rates and medical costs skyrocketed. I live in Germany and medical cost is 1/10th that of the US. I really don't need health insurance here, because its manageable without it, but I can't stay here unless I have it. If I live in Panama, insurance is next to nothing. But I don't like mosquitoes and hot steamy weather. My Panamanian friends I had when I worked for the US government said it's next to nothing living there. An income of $3000 a month is like $30,000 a month.

And the parties never get together probably because of too many special interest pulling in opposite direction. For instance the infra structure. It was promised back with Bush, then Obama, and Trump, and nothing was ever done, and probably before then too. And I don't think it will happen. Too many special interests wanting a piece of the pie. In the end nobody gets anything but the receiver (special interests). It hasn't and will never change unless society gets tired of promises. We'll see about Biden.

When I was in advertising, we used do promo work for political parties (both Republican and Democrats). I ask the Democratic candidate why he went into politics. He said to help my neighborhood to better opportunities. This was back in the 1960s. His area in LA was Watts-Willowbrook. If you don't know the area, its predominately Black, South-West LA.

On the other hand, the answer the Republican gave me: I'm going into to politics to protect MY interests! I have no interests outside my business and wealth.

That's the difference between the two parties. One gives and one takes. And as long as each party is fighting for their interests, the republican will promise less to the masses and more to special interests.

You can see where I stand on the parties. God help America!

@ GR : You are talking here about half a century ago - politics was different then. Politicians of all colours are now just the gofers for the Elite Globalist Cabal who are the real rulers. Trump is not a career politician, he can't be bought because he too rich to be in anyone's pocket - that's why they have tried to destroy his presidency from day one.
God help the world if senile Jo Biden gets his finger on the nuclear button!

Hi Gr, great to hear back from you. It's almost as heartwarming as seeing the good people of Germany out on the streets, protesting to keep their freedoms.

I enjoyed reading your anecdotes. If you have any more then please share them. I find that sort of thing genuinely interesting.

Now, keep in mind your crass dismissal of people suffering with mental health issues, your huge generalisation about Republicans, the title of this thread and consider this for a generalisation:

Lockdown supporters - affluent, elderly people with large private pensions and comprehensive private medical care. No need to worry about dying from the economic fallout caused by lockdowns and no need to worry about non-corona illnesses being left untreated. I'm alright, Jack. Selfish people. Bad people.

Lockdown opponents - people of all ages, who care about their wider communities and have one eye on the welfare of young people starting out in life, who, if lockdowns continue, will be left to pick up the pieces of this folly. Compassionate people. Unselfish people. Good people.

What do you think of that, eh?

GR wrote: "James wrote: "Ramzi wrote: "He sure was. A big COVID pinned him to the ground by his neck...."

haha!"

Anni wrote: "Scott wrote: "EN wrote: "Get interested in a hobby, get involved with your inner..."

What are you saying? They went from corrupt to more corrupted. I'll say this: if anyone goes into politics, they're sleeping with the Devil and that means Trump too. He has his own corrupted means. He with his bed-buddy, the most corrupt man on earth: Putin, the Turkey--gobble-gobble. Has control of him since day one. Gobble-gobble--gobble-gobble-up! I'm glad he's out of office. But may not be the end!

GR and EN you guys are clearly the same person! And you are replying to each other as if you are different people, when you are obviously the same:

GR: https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/2...

EN: https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/8...

or is it a case of multiple personality disorder? :)

Correct! The problem, I wanted it to be EN, and eliminate GR, but it didn't work out that way. Sorry. Tell me how I can eliminate GR?

GR wrote: "Correct! The problem, I wanted it to be EN, and eliminate GR, but it didn't work out that way. Sorry. Tell me how I can eliminate GR?"

No worries. I thought it was some game you were playing, to maybe cover different philosophies or something!

GR wrote: "Correct! The problem, I wanted it to be EN, and eliminate GR, but it didn't work out that way. Sorry. Tell me how I can eliminate GR?"

Contact President Putin's former colleagues to eliminate GR. The best of British luck with it. Look forward to hearing from the good man, EN, soon. Or have I got that the wrong way round?

I prefer GR, EN is a ____ ! :)
However, others dislike GR and love EN!

Such is politics!

Having a quick look back at the thread, I think you might be right.

Or are we being gaslighted and they're genuinely 2 different people? GR's posts sound American but EN's European. It's a sophisticated attack on Underground Knowledge by Gates's lockdown boys. Stay safe, James.

Ah, the old American-European switcheroo operation!

Yeah - strange how the avatar is facing a different way for each persona 🧐 Well-spotted James!

Anni wrote: "Yeah - strange how the avatar is facing a different way for each persona 🧐 Well-spotted James!"

Cor blimey, well spotted, Anni. I didn't notice that. There goes any chance of a career in proofreading.

Not exactly the level of turnout in London a few weeks/ months back, but a quick UK update for overseas group members:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...

James wrote: "GR wrote: "Correct! The problem, I wanted it to be EN, and eliminate GR, but it didn't work out that way. Sorry. Tell me how I can eliminate GR?"

No worries. I thought it was some game you were pl..."

GR wrote: "Correct! The problem, I wanted it to be EN, and eliminate GR, but it didn't work out that way. Sorry. Tell me how I can eliminate GR?"

No, one is my author's name, the other is my real one. I tried to change to my author's name but it didn't work, so now I have the two. Sorry to confuse you.

Have fun guys! Nice talking with you, Tchuess...EN

GR wrote: "Have fun guys! Nice talking with you, Tchuess...EN"

All the best, EN and GR. Nice talking to you too.

Auf Wiedersehen, pet.

EN Heim, the Trump Putin collusion myth was busted at least 18 months ago!

Beau wrote: "All the best, EN and GR. Nice talking to you too.."

So Beau, we called out a spy network here or what?

Anni wrote: "@ GR : ..."

Anni, whatever happened to the Sheeples we had posting often in this thread earlier in the year? The ones who were 100% in support of the lockdown? Maybe they've now seen the dark side of all this? Or are they just bunkered down for the long-term and believe we are still idiots for criticizing these extreme measures?

I actually think most people are good for the most part. Evildoers, especially truly evil people like outright sociopaths, are quite rare and maybe only 5% of the population. So what I'm getting at is many could not even conceive of the level of evil we are dealing with here...

I think with assessing the global elite, it's quite similar to crime where detectives say "to catch a criminal, you have to be able to think like one"...

Beau wrote: "All the best, EN and GR. Nice talking to you too."

Maybe EN and GR were code for something?

England Normalized and Germany Reigns?

James wrote: "Beau wrote: "All the best, EN and GR. Nice talking to you too.."

So Beau, we called out a spy network here or what?"

I believe that EN and GR are good people, who were forced into infiltrating Underground Knowledge, with the aim of undermining it.

It's clear they are both brave people too because, in the end, they rejected their masters' schemes and wished the group well.

Stay safe, EN and GR.

James wrote: "Beau wrote: "All the best, EN and GR. Nice talking to you too."

Maybe EN and GR were code for something?

England Normalized and Germany Reigns?"

Ha ha - genuine laugh out loud moment!

James wrote: "Anni wrote: "@ GR : ..."

Anni, whatever happened to the Sheeples we had posting often in this thread earlier in the year? The ones who were 100% in support of the lockdown? Maybe they've now seen ..."

No, the sheeples are not evil, but to quote Edmund Burke: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men do nothing".

Well a lot of good men (and women) sure have done nothing this year, Anni! In fact, many have criticized the hell out of anyone who even raises the slightest complaint...

The main thing that 2020 has taught me is the importance of liberty.

I used to take it for granted and even privately scoffed at some liberals. Not anymore. Lesson learnt. The most important things to me are quality of life, freedom of speech and choice. Without these things, longevity of life has little value.

Ironically, those who tend to oppose these things usually describe themselves as 'liberals'. Once again, they're gas lighting on an extraordinary scale.

Beau wrote: "The main thing that 2020 has taught me is the importance of liberty.

I used to take it for granted and even privately scoffed at some liberals. Not anymore. Lesson learnt. The most important thing..."

Same here, Beau. We don't know what we've lost till it's gone !

James wrote: "Beau wrote: "All the best, EN and GR. Nice talking to you too."

Maybe EN and GR were code for something?

England Normalized and Germany Reigns?"

Don't want to get obsessed over this but because I'm still laughing about it, and in view of the respective levels of lockdown protests,...

England Neutralised and Germany Resists :)

Sounds about right Beau.
I think the spy was therefore telling us, job now done...So that's why he was granted leave from the Underground.

Being serious for a minute tho, it does now look like the version of tyranny tested in Melbourne a few months ago (more aggressive version of Lockdown 1) is now being rolled out in England and across some of Europe.

James wrote: "Sounds about right Beau.
I think the spy was therefore telling us, job now done...So that's why he was granted leave from the Underground.

Being serious for a minute tho, it does now look like th..."

One other thing 2020 has taught me is never to say never and not to make too many predictions. But...

Many people claim that GB is simmering and on the verge of revolt. I don't buy into this. We're generally quite a placid people, with very long fuses, who will knuckle down and accept the rules. We don't have the passion of the Italians or the organisation of the Germans.

Our leaders have always had a very clever knack of knowing how far they can push us. IMO, Boris won't attempt a Dan Andrews because he knows we'd make it too uncomfortable for him.

My concern is that control will be exerted through a gentler war of attrition, with stop/ start milder lockdowns and by allowing masks to become that dreaded phrase 'the new normal'. They'll be happy to throw a few professions and people under the bus but will look to keep the bulk of the population onside.

Of course, if a vaccine is genuinely on its way then that changes everything. It will also bring a whole new set of very challenging questions.

The Sheeple World Order!

Significant Psychological Toll From New Zealand COVID-19 Lockdown https://www.naturalblaze.com/2020/11/...

James wrote: "The Sheeple World Order!"

The phrases 'new normal' and 'new world order' keep popping up. I've even heard elected politicians and other influential people use them.

I do sometimes wonder if the real decision makers have tasked the elected governments with seeing how far they can push the various peoples of the world when deciding on what a potential new world order might look like.

I'm wary of commenting too much on Victoria because of lack of first hand knowledge and reliance on the media (after all, I'm on the other side of the world), but I've been genuinely gobsmacked by what I've heard. It's incredible what Victorians appear to have endured.

Beau wrote: "James wrote: "Sounds about right Beau.
I think the spy was therefore telling us, job now done...So that's why he was granted leave from the Underground.

Being serious for a minute tho, it does no..."

If there is a vaccine on its way, I want no part of it - and it won't solve anything if it comes -as you say, it will just cause more problems for people who do not consent. James is correct - the tyranny is being rolled out in the U.K. now. We are bombing a police state.