Underground Knowledge — A discussion group discussion

Lance wrote: "Anni wrote: "James wrote: "Debby wrote: "James Morcan, nevertheless Ardern's government is right, or we'd have a CGT, & people would not be homeless, unable to afford rents. The virus measures are ..."

🥰 you done good, Lance!

Anni wrote: "James, I am old enough to be your mum and if I had been, I would be very proud of you!
My own two sons - who both have PHD’s in science (the eldest is actually a Fellow of the Institute of Physics) - sadly did not get a good grounding in history at school. As a consequence they have a narrow-focus view of the real world, outside their own specialisms. P.S. obviously this does not negate my pride in their achievements, but I recognise the limitations of their world view..."

Thanks for the love, Anni :)

I have some thoughts on this time period... It's an enormously divisive moment in history we find ourselves in... With messy situs like parents needing to agree together whether or not to vaccinate their own kids, as but one example...the situation we find ourselves in in late 2020 even has the potential to drive families apart or else cause major rifts within families, circles of friends, communities and entire nations.

But I think we need to be kind to sheeples, because I think we can all be sheeples on different subjects. One person in this thread, who I won't name, is what I deem a Sheeple on this particular lockdown subject, BUT this person is quite awake about various other complex subjects like false flags in war (and no doubt could teach me a thing or two on various other topics). So I think we all need enlightening on so many topics, definitely and including me.

So somehow when we know we hold important truths, we need to speak up and gently awaken people without judging them too much (even if they are hating us, it's a bit of a case of "forgive them, for they know not what they do").

With your sons Anni, it sounds like they are specialists and experts within a narrow field of study - it's not their job and probably doesn't suit their mindset to analyze history or current human rights trends in society. And we very much need fully focused people like that e.g. if I go in for brain surgery and speak to the surgeon before the operation, I'd hope he's not in deep discussion about Hungarian philosophers just before the operation! :)

But then we also need generalists and more philosophical minds in society...Usually the likes of philosophers, investigative journalists, authors and artists are generally the ones who spot the seeds of extremism (I stole your line, Beau!) before others do. As their minds and careers are more geared towards this type of analysis, plus they tend to understand human nature better including the dark side of humanity...

Make no mistake, if this continues everyone will awaken to the truth of the evil that's being carried out in the name of this virus, even a few Sheeples still lurking in this group (and they are in exactly the right group, whether they realize that or not!).

I also think everyone in society needs to calm the F___ down at present...Too many accusations flying around like "you're a granny killer for socializing!" or too many people not thinking and just parroting things they hear in mainstream media...This is a very complex situation, perhaps the most complex in history when you factor in the advanced technologies that are simultaneously intersecting with the Covid World Order... Nobody understands the total truth and I've admitted all year I've been confused...and have therefore been listening to so many others who have helped broaden my mind, I hope...

One of my favourite speeches ever is RFK's speech below...Even tho this was back in the 1960s and kinda about different subjects, I think maybe there are also some universal truths here that could be considered now...

Robert F Kennedy Announcing The Death Of Martin Luther King - A Great Speech https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoKzC...

Thanks for that link, James. Having listened to that great speech, I can see that his son, Robert F. Kennedy Jnr inherited the same strength of character and wisdom.
(BTW I’m assuming you weren’t old enough to hear it first-hand, or else I’m not old enough to be your mum after all!)

Anni wrote: "Thanks for that link, James. Having listened to that great speech, I can see that his son, Robert F. Kennedy Jnr inherited the same strength of character and wisdom.
(BTW I’m assuming you weren’t o..."

haha, yeah that was another era before i was born.

And yes, I think there's something special in most of the Kennedy clan. Interesting also that they were different types of Leftists, closer to the center, rather than the Radical Left we have operating now in certain Western nations...

James, 1156 is a brilliant post. I enjoyed listening to the Bobby Kennedy speech too. I know a bit about him but must find out more.

Don't worry about stealing my line as I never worry about pinching your points. By the way, I've just started writing a new book, which I hope will become a bestseller. It's called, 'Anno 2021'. Only joking about the last bit lol ;)

I'd like to share a link with you all, containing a lot of UK coronavirus statistics. I came across them via the respected UK journalist, Peter Hitchens, but I've never heard of the website in question.

Can anyone in this group shed any light on it:

http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/

If these statistics are true, they raise some quite extraordinary questions.

Beau wrote: "James, 1156 is a brilliant post. I enjoyed listening to the Bobby Kennedy speech too. I know a bit about him but must find out more.


Haven’t heard of this website either, but Peter Hitchens is as sound as they come.

You can see corresponding statistics on the following site:

https://www.thebernician.net/scamdemi...

GR is back. Germany Resists:
https://amp-dw-com.cdn.ampproject.org...

James Morcan, sigh, I was born here in New Zealand! I know that Labour used to be the left party, which it isn't now and hasn't been for years. It didn't just flirt with Rogergnomics, it WAS Rogergnomics in 1984, and is now. Even Ardern's most passionate fans, most of them ardent #covidcultists are admitting that now. I am amazed/amused by their pretence of surprise. So no, the woman I call on Twitter la Meretrice (look it up, no one else has or I'd be in Twitter gaol) is less leftwing than Maggie Thatcher! I am shocked by how many current and ex New Zealanders tell me that they think Right = Freedom, as if they had never heard of Pinochet, Franco or Craxi. (Autocorrect hadn't). The Right, especially but not limited to the vile warmongers of the USA, ARE ANTI FREEDOM AND ANTI LIFE.

I am beginning to think that I am in the wrong group. Attacks on Evil China and Evil Trump-Hitler-Putin Communism are not what I am here for.

I don't know where to start Debby. So I'll pretend socialist nanny state borderline Marxist politically correct Ardern is Right wing if that makes you happy? :)

Except... I can't even do that for fun! Because the whole world is swinging dangerously into Radical Leftism and Jacinda is the hero of these people around the world.

She and NZ Labour are very much on the Left and flirting with extremism on the Left as well!

Rogernomics was a very brief overturn of NZ Labour and remember after that those labour leaders left and set up the right wing act party.

Individual freedoms are defended more in Right wing parties like the Republicans in the USA. Left wing parties are more about the collective. There is a place for both and I am apolitical... But during this time we need individuals protected...

Here's an article about Craxi, more relevant to Ardern than I realised. Like her, he was said to be a socialist but manifestly wasn't, instead he was as corrupt as possible, adored by doyen of the right, Silvio Berlusconi, & in the end fleeing punishment. May Ardern's misrule end the same way! https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/bett...

James Morcan, with all due respect if you were here, hearing her re-state her opposition to a Capital Gains Tax, and her refusal to aid the poor (including people who lost their jobs because of the plague, you would begin to wonder. Instead Ardern's given $millions to Big business, the bigger the better. I have to say, I am older than anyone here, and my parents were born just after the end of the first world war. My rich NZ mother was of course right wing, my immigrant father was.. mixed but he had ample opportunity to learn that the right are the enemies of freedom. It's a very American idea, that the right is freedom, all that reminds me of is Arbeit Macht Frei. I hope I needn't translate that.

Interesting discussion between Debby and James.

The new 'left' (Ardern being their pin-up girl) are often authoritarian left wingers in a social and political sense, but are liberal (in other words 'right wing') economically. Because of their globalist outlook, this makes them even more right wing in terms of economics (but only economics) than conservatives.

We all need to re imagine the terms left and right because the old parameters no longer apply. My conclusion is that you are both right.

Beau wrote: "Interesting discussion between Debby and James.

The new 'left' (Ardern being their pin-up girl) are often authoritarian left wingers in a social and political sense, but are liberal (in other wor..."

Yeah, that was in a way what I'm getting at where I mentioned certain policies (and I was thinking economically especially like you mentioned) of NZ Labour are Right wing policies. I think modern capitalism and the demands of economics, forces most Left wing parties to be center at least (in terms of economics only). If Corbyn had gotten in in the UK it would have been the same, probably (altho you and anni would know more about that than me)

However, although I agree to an extent we need to reimagine Left-Right paradigm, or that it may not be that useful and perhaps a 20th century term we are trying to superimpose over 21st century politics, I also think the leftist parties now are becoming more and more socialistic and veering into Radical Leftism of the past...And there is a socialist fascism throughout history that we need to remember, whether we are talking Stalin, Mao, Castro etc...The type that relate to Orwell's "boot stomping a human face forever".

So in a way I know what you mean about the "new left" as they've become more authoritarian and less compassionate, but in another way there are historical parallels to numerous dangerous Leftist parties of the past, don't you think? So maybe it's a bit of the new Left and a bit of the old Left :)

NZ Labour tho, for me and most political commentators, is a Leftist party (likewise Australian Labour party, which btw is in charge of the state of Victoria where Melbourne is and ushered in the most extreme and inhumane lockdown)...

Furthermore, virtually all of NZ politics is on the global scale quite Left wing...I believe certain issues in NZ, like having a Maori/Polynesian population of around 30% of overall population from memory, plus a small perhaps vulnerable population overall of only 5M in an isolated region, the historically clean/green spirit of NZ (climate change science is almost a religion in NZ), all makes it quite difficult for Right wing politics to come to the fore and balance out the left.

I'll say it again: I'm not anti Left wing politics, nor am I usually a promoter of Right wing politics, but I just hate the extremes whether Far Right or Radical Left -- and right now around the world all I see is Radical Leftism (and it fits perfectly with this collectivist virus control aspect and individual rights are at an all time low in the West). Whether they are trying to usher in the destructive ultra Left politics of the Chinese communist system remains to be seen, but as of now Right wing politics (in its protection for individual freedoms and reluctance to support collectivist ideologies) is the only hope to resist right now, in my opinion...

I also think the solution for reversing all the individual freedoms we have lost this year is going to take much more than politics however. Ultimately, I've always felt since March (and I really hope I'm wrong about this!) that we will have to overthrow governments as this Covid overreaction feels like a non-stop freight train taking us straight to the gulags!

I personally think what this US senator advised is correct, it's gonna take a rebellion and revolution of some kind...

Top Trump coronavirus adviser tells Michigan to "rise up" against new restrictions https://www.cbsnews.com/news/scott-at...

Washington — Dr. Scott Atlas, a close adviser to President Trump on the coronavirus pandemic, encouraged Michigan residents to "rise up" after Governor Gretchen Whitmer announced more stringent restrictions on schools and businesses to mitigate a surge in coronavirus cases.

In response to a tweet outlining the new order from Whitmer, a Democrat, Atlas tweeted Sunday "the only way this stops is if people rise up. You get what you accept."

Although he was way left of centre, I actually liked Jeremy Corbyn. I certainly didn't agree with all of his policies but he struck me as a kind, genuine man. He was also the only mainstream politician to really focus on homelessness, which I think has been the UK's biggest problem for quite a few years.

However, I think you're right about the 'left' wing parties generally - they're becoming more authoritarian and less compassionate. That's a real double whammy and a big turn off for me.

Great news re Dr Scott Atlas. Over here, those seeds are being planted in people's minds again. No official announcement but plenty of speculation about lockdown being lifted for a few days over Christmas, with a January in lockdown as the price. The deadly virus, which ignores schools, disappears over Christmas and where you normally have to be tested to find out if you even have it. If alarm bells aren't ringing in some people's minds, they never will.

Btw...is the last post on the US politics thread a joke or serious?

That's serious as it's a medical doctor and US senator advising Trump that the only way the Covid restrictions end is if we resist. So it was following on from my theory that the only way this new normal ends is rebellion or a people's revolution - won't be changed thru politics.

Leading Canadian Health Expert Outraged at Government Response to COVID https://childrenshealthdefense.org/de...

Canadian medical Doctor here says: "the risk of death under 65 in this province is one in 300,000. One in 300,000!"

p.s. Note that statisticians have calculated the odds of being struck by lightning in a given year are only around 1 in 500,000 🤣

Beau wrote: "Although he was way left of centre, I actually liked Jeremy Corbyn. I certainly didn't agree with all of his policies but he struck me as a kind, genuine man. He was also the only mainstream politi..."

Yeah, I feel Corbyn was more reflective of the British Left from a few years back not now.

Not sure how Corbyn would handle this virus issue tho and a bit worried about any Leftist in power. then again, his brother Piers Corbyn has been organising anti-lockdown protests...

James wrote: "Beau wrote: "Although he was way left of centre, I actually liked Jeremy Corbyn. I certainly didn't agree with all of his policies but he struck me as a kind, genuine man. He was also the only main..."

I actually voted for Corbyn in 2017 and '19. I did so through gritted teeth in '19 because of my dislike of most other Labour MPs and the party's desire to have a rerun of the EU Referendum. Whichever side of the debate you were on, that was the sort of anti-democratic, throw-toys-out-pram behaviour, typical of the 'new' left.

Much as I'm disappointed by Boris's virus response, I have a feeling the lockdown would have been a lot more draconian under JC. Interesting thing is, because the media, general establishment and many people who might naturally be against lockdown are all very anti-JC, the level of rebellion against it would've been far greater. I'm even going to go as far as to say I think it might seriously have kicked off.

Piers Corbyn is an absolute hero. Can't speak highly enough for what he's doing.

I think Boris is not like Trump (both in good and bad ways). They compared him to Trump, but I think in general the Leftist zeitgeist is overriding all nations with Right wing leaders like Boris...Except in the case of Trump...That's why I believe they want Trump gone and need him gone to fully implement the Covid World Order. Love him or hate him, Trump is still repeatedly ranting against the overreaction and promising America will never lockdown again.

Show me any other leader on the world stage (given that the Swedish PM is agreeing to lockdowns now) showing half as much resistance as Trump.

Otherwise, I'm not at all a supporter of Trump and wouldn't care what happened to him. He's an asshole but can be used as a tool here in the same way another asshole Winston Churchill was used effectively to help resist Hitler.

I think people compare Boris to Trump because they are both somewhat overweight guys with messy yellow-orange hair who speak their mind unfiltered. (Remember the mail slot comment! I loved him for that... I don't like him so much now.)

Dog owners are outraged at being banned from walking their precious pooches in extreme South Australian lockdown - but police reveal one loophole to get them some exercise https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...

They want to keep both us and our pets unhealthy.

There is no way the ‘authorities’ could introduce anti-dog walking measures in the U.K. which is renowned for its dog-loving population!! That would really be the last straw before an uprising to end them all 🤨

Re. Left-wing versus Right-wing politics:-
My background is solid working class.
All of my grandfather’s 6 sons followed him into the local steel work foundries in the industrial belt of the Don Valley when it was known as the “Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire - and everyone voted Labour.
Those days, when the Labour Party was for the workers, are sadly long gone.
Nowadays it’s a case of middle-class lefty/liberal metropolitan elites who despise the working class and abandoned the northern Red Wall of Labour voters who consequently took their revenge in the Referendum and General Election.

Anni wrote: "There is no way the ‘authorities’ could introduce anti-dog walking measures in the U.K. which is renowned for its dog-loving population!! That would really be the last straw before an uprising to end them all..."

The Queen couldn't walk her corgis anymore, so you're probably right...

The YES/NO answer to this question is tautologic: if we admit that humans' decisions, more specifically the ones of governments, are taken on the basis of various variables (firstly economic interest, personal gain, then ideologic and so on), then obviously lockdowns are about 'something more than the virus (and common goodness and science)'. As long as human nature doesn't change, interests governing politics are always the same.

A more articulated anwer could be given by starting from the assumption that human nature remains unchanged, then interests driving governments should be inquired in history and political science. Only then we would know what information to look for and how to interpret it, to judge what is driving political decisions.

Anni, that's my point! What was Labour is now a bunch of middle class kiddies, who think that being left is only about identity politics and abortion, oh and cannabis.

Debby wrote: "Anni, that's my point! What was Labour is now a bunch of middle class kiddies, who think that being left is only about identity politics and abortion, oh and cannabis."

Debby it's the same worldwide...Hence the term "champagne socialists"...But I believe there is historical precedence for this where various regimes on the Radical Left had a wealthy elitist class at the helm.

The following excerpt is from the most chilling account I have ever read of the planned conspiracy to devise what is now known as ‘The New World Order’/AKA ‘Great Reset’.
Warning ⛔️ It is a truly terrifying vision of what is now being played out in our time.
You can read the full version at the following link:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=y...

United States Coalition for Life
THE NEW
ORDER of
BARBARIANS

This whole issue is dedicated to publishing a transcript of a set of audio tapes titled THE NEW ORDER OF BARBARIANS, which is published with permission of Randy Engel of the U.S. Coalition for Life. This is a very valuable issue, as it will establish the existence, scope and direction of a conspiracy which is revealed by an insider, Dr Richard Day, who was the Chairman of Pediatrics at the University of Pittsburgh from about 1959-1964. After this, Dr. Day was Medical Director of Planned Parenthood Federation of America. Dr. Day spoke at The Pittsburgh Pediatric Society in March of 1969. Dr. Lawrence Dunegan attended that meeting, and reveals the plans that were in place in 1969 to form a new system of government, altering all of society to bring about this new system. All of society has been redirected according to those plans. Special attention should be given to the control of medicine to accomplish these goals.

Scott, the big difference between Boris and Trump is that Trump does what it says on the tin. Boris is a fraud, opportunist and man of conflicting viewpoints. Even on Brexit, he wrote articles against it weeks before declaring himself a Brexiteer.

James, every human being does good and bad things. This is magnified when they're in a position of power. Winston Churchill was not an arsehole. He was a great man. Like any historical figure, he deserves to be judged on the whole of his life. Yes, he did some bad things but his actions from 1939-45 weren't his only positive points. You're sounding like a woke, hard left revisionist ;)

Anni, completely agree with your 1178 post re UK Labour. Spot on. Btw, similar family situation here.

Beau wrote: "GR is back. Germany Resists:
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I've seen it on TV. They're fools. Like people who yell "fire" in theaters. They should work to improve conditions rather than protest. All protest does is cause more problems. Maybe that's their aim...you think so?

GR wrote: "Beau wrote: "GR is back. Germany Resists:
https://amp-dw-com.cdn.ampproject.org......"

Great to see you pop by, GR.

I think we probably agree on a lot of things, one of them being that the world has needed improving in many ways for a long, long time.

Where we seem to disagree is whether the new normal will improve them. The very powerful, super-wealthy elite don't like giving up control and money. In fact, they want more of it. Both things are like addictive drugs to them. For this reason, I don't see things getting better for most people, particularly those who are disadvantaged now, if restrictions continue.

The precedent we've set with these restrictions, as well as the inevitable move to a digital world, is bad news for us little people, in terms of our freedoms and our bank balances. We must peacefully resist. For this reason, I support the people who marched in Berlin.

Beau wrote: "James, every human being does good and bad things. This is magnified when they're in a position of power. Winston Churchill was not an arsehole. He was a great man. Like any historical figure, he deserves to be judged on the whole of his life. Yes, he did some bad things but his actions from 1939-45 weren't his only positive points. You're sounding like a woke, hard left revisionist ;)..."

Oh, I'm not at all into that revisionist BLM crap of 2020 e.g. tearing down statues and revising certain historical figures (or even artwork!) because it doesn't suit the tastes or standards of our time. Sorry, I gave the wrong impression here. I was kinda making a point in terms of using certain flawed people (e.g. Trump or Churchill, both who definitely have an asshole side) to achieve some good - which I definitely think was the case with Churchill and also Trump.

Beau, I am pro the Palestinian cause the more I learn about history of the Middle East...Or I at least think they deserve something a lot better than the ghetto like conditions they live in...If you read some of the comments Churchill said about Palestinians, it was pretty disgusting and certainly many Arabs would not hesitate to call Churchill an asshole (and they're justified). Wasn't just racism common to that time, but also a dominating British Empire colonialist viewpoint that Churchill represented without mercy in many instances. I think he did some devious stuff elsewhere in the world before and after WW2, so just like I don't get into the woke Leftist crap I also don't subscribe to the British nationalism or war hero stuff either. However, he was a real asset to the free world during WW2, no question.

So I'm happy to compromise and settle for both a great man and an asshole with Churchill :)

GR wrote: "I've seen it on TV. They're fools. Like people who yell "fire" in theaters. They should work to improve conditions rather than protest. All protest does is cause more problems. Maybe that's their aim...you think so?..."

Tell that to the likes of protestors who have successfully ran campaigns that raised awareness and eventually stopped the likes of Apartheid and various other injustices or evil regimes throughout history.

James wrote: "Beau wrote: "James, every human being does good and bad things. This is magnified when they're in a position of power. Winston Churchill was not an arsehole. He was a great man. Like any historical..."

Ha ha completely agree with that post, James. You, on the other hand, are a great man but in no ways an asshole. Thumbs up.

Beau wrote: "Ha ha completely agree with that post, James. You, on the other hand, are a great man but in no ways an asshole. Thumbs up. ..."

Unfortunately Beau, and sorry to disappoint, but I'm also flawed like everyone else.

Maybe this mysterious GR character is the perfect individual you're looking for (altho admittedly he's off to an anti-freedom start!!!!)

And doesn't GR have an alias? EN or something, wasn't it?
We never got to the bottom of that one I don't think...

James wrote: "And doesn't GR have an alias? EN or something, wasn't it?
We never got to the bottom of that one I don't think..."

I reckon he is a quisling 🧐
It’s all very well playing Devil’s advocate, but I can’t understand why anyone joins the Underground Knowledge site if they aren’t prepared to give some serious consideration to alternative views, other than what is put out by the established ‘authorities’ on a given topic.

James wrote: "Beau wrote: "Ha ha completely agree with that post, James. You, on the other hand, are a great man but in no ways an asshole. Thumbs up. ..."

Unfortunately Beau, and sorry to disappoint, but I'm a..."

GR may well be a great man and comes across as very thoughtful too, although on this one issue his mind has become warped. It could be down to excessive computer use, required to operate multiple online personalities.

Anni wrote: "James wrote: "And doesn't GR have an alias? EN or something, wasn't it?
We never got to the bottom of that one I don't think..."

I reckon he is a quisling 🧐
It’s all very well playing Devil’s advo..."

OMG I've just had a thought!

Bill Gates Richard Branson

Hi, guys. Great new normal we’re having ;)

Beau wrote: "Anni wrote: "James wrote: "And doesn't GR have an alias? EN or something, wasn't it?
We never got to the bottom of that one I don't think..."

I reckon he is a quisling 🧐
It’s all very well playing..."

That sounds like a link too far, but you never know 🤔

Beau wrote: "Anni wrote: "James wrote: "And doesn't GR have an alias? EN or something, wasn't it?
We never got to the bottom of that one I don't think..."

I reckon he is a quisling 🧐
It’s all very well playing..."

Branson gone quiet in recent years, hasn't he?

Has he popped up during this year and commented on the pandemic at all?

Anni wrote: "It’s all very well playing Devil’s advocate, but I can’t understand why anyone joins the Underground Knowledge site if they aren’t prepared to give some serious consideration to alternative views, other than what is put out by the established ‘authorities’ on a given topic...."

Well, some sheeple are self-proclaimed rational thinkers/skeptics, so they feel their involvement can be to offer "balance" and enlighten us on how to believe in science... Usually, in fact always to date, what eventually happens is they reveal themselves to be irrational and lacking skepticism of the narratives they are fed, not to mention they are usually anti-scientific in that they also reveal biases and dogma...

Other than that tho, sheeples are cute and I like having them around, everyone should have a few as pets I feel...Because what these naive sheeple don't realize is this is an Underground laboratory and we are psychologically experimenting on them to see how they react :)

James Morcan I wouldn't call Churchill an 'asshole' because I am not an American, but he was a horrible man. I am pleased that you are pro-Palestinian, but really, "the free world"? You sound like a Reader's Digest editorial from 1963

Anni wrote: "There is no way the ‘authorities’ could introduce anti-dog walking measures in the U.K. which is renowned for its dog-loving population!! That would really be the last straw before an uprising to e..."

If there's one thing 2020 has taught us Anni, it is that nothing can be discounted... And also perhaps that we can never underestimate how much tyranny sheeples will tolerate to make them believe they are safe...

Debby wrote: "James Morcan I wouldn't call Churchill an 'asshole' because I am not an American, but he was a horrible man. I am pleased that you are pro-Palestinian, but really, "the free world"? You sound like a Reader's Digest editorial from 1963 ..."

Well I think I used the free world in a certain context there tho, didn't I? I said it in relation to WW2 specifically...and so if you consider what the alternative was (Nazi Germany and the Japanese) I think our Western nations were about freedom by comparison.

So hopefully I sound even more dated and more like a Reader's Digest editorial from 1939 ;)

This is a must read article about the opinions of Dr Mike Yeadon (an expert in allergy, immunology, and respiratory diseases, with over three decades of experience, including working as Pfizer’s vice president and chief scientific officer)...Again, any form of real science (unlike the utterly fake science many naively subscribe to) would welcome such a medical expert's contrarian opinions with open arms and study them endlessly to test itself against such a scientific devil's advocate...


YouTube removes lockdown-sceptical interview with renowned immunologist Dr Mike Yeadon for ‘violating terms of service’ https://www.rt.com/uk/507321-yeadon-i...

Dr Mike Yeadon has argued that the British government is using “lethally incompetent” scientific advice in its Covid-19 response. YouTube has mysteriously taken down a video in which the immunologist explains his point.

The UK government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) has got many things about the Covid-19 pandemic wrong, says Dr Mike Yeadon. He is an expert in allergy, immunology, and respiratory diseases, with over three decades of experience, including working as Pfizer’s vice president and chief scientific officer. Apparently his credentials amounted to nothing, though, when digital ‘censors’ at YouTube noticed that he was criticizing the prevailing narrative on the necessity of lockdowns.

For its modelling, SAGE assumed that the entire population was susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 when it first emerged in China last year. And it now considers that only a fraction of the public has been infected so far, based on the detectable presence of antibodies in their blood. These premises are behind the harsh restrictions currently in place in the UK, which are designed to prevent a massive and deadly outbreak of Covid-19.

According to Dr Yeadon, the assumptions are totally wrong, and the worst of the disease is over, with Covid-19 falling into the background as a relatively nasty but otherwise ordinary seasonal respiratory disease. A significant part of the population was actually not susceptible to the virus, thanks in large part to cross-immunity from previously being exposed to other kinds of coronaviruses. Those range from the relatively exotic but closely related SARS-CoV-1, the pathogen behind the 2002–2004 SARS outbreak, to human coronaviruses causing the common cold.

The large number of positive Covid-19 tests is not indicative of the number of active cases, Dr Yeadon believes. The common PCR test detects RNA remnants of the coronavirus, but it cannot tell if they came from live viruses or those long conquered by the immune system. There are also false positives. Mass testing causes an increase in those, he says, as people less experienced in how to properly conduct tests are recruited to run them.

On the other hand, the percentage of people currently immune to Covid-19 is seriously underestimated because it is measured by the presence of antibodies in people’s blood, Dr Yeadon argues. Antibody levels rise when an organism reacts to an active infection, but immune response memory – which determines whether the immune system is trained to beat a disease – is stored in T-cells. So, a person perfectly capable of standing up to Covid-19 may test negative for antibodies, he concludes.

Dr Yeadon has made his case and explained why he believes SAGE’s advice to be “lethally incompetent” in a number of interviews, including a 30-minute sit in with Unlock UK, a lockdown-sceptical media outlet. The video was published on Friday and is available on Facebook, but for some reason it was banned by YouTube, which says it violated its terms of service.

Western tech giants have been relentlessly pressured by politicians and legacy media to fight against misinformation on their platforms. Their idea of what constitutes misinformation seems to be closely aligned with prevailing narratives, while complaints about censorship mount from those challenging the mainstream narrative.

This seems especially true for Covid-19 response coverage, as many people find restrictions at best controversial and at worst a government assault on liberties. Just this week, the UK’s top counter-terrorism police officer, Met Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu, advocated punishing those who spread “misinformation that could cost people’s lives,” like anti-vaccination conspiracy theories.

Dr Yeadon, incidentally, argues that mass vaccination against Covid-19 would be unnecessary, because the outbreak has almost run its natural course before an efficient vaccine was even available.

https://www.rt.com/uk/507321-yeadon-i...

Debby wrote: "James Morcan I wouldn't call Churchill an 'asshole' because I am not an American, but he was a horrible man. I am pleased that you are pro-Palestinian, but really, "the free world"? You sound like ..."

Debby, you sound like a guest at an exclusive Wellington dinner party.

I can just picture you now as you take a delicate bite out of your smoked salmon canapé, before turning to Jacinda Ardern and telling her how you think freedom has become all passe.

Of course, if Winston Churchill hadn't been around, only sushi would've been on the menu.

UK doing its bit for the global community and for freedom. Some great pictures here:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1326121...

Beau wrote: "UK doing its bit for the global community and for freedom. Some great pictures here:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1326121..."

Hold my beer, Brits... https://uk.news.yahoo.com/exclusive-t...