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Yes Debby. History will eventually reveal the catastrophic death toll of the measures against the virus (dwarfing the virus death toll). All very predictable...

New to the group 😊
I’m working on a new astrophysics discovery Antihydrogen fusion that creates atmospheric sprites. During this event Antihydrogen Fusion, a 12 foot ringed disc consisting of a four foot center fusion in the design of the Fibonacci Spiral wrapped around in a six inch ring of antihelium and a two foot ring of liquid oxygen! Antihydrogen Fusion converting antihelium to light in the configuration of the fusion or Fibonacci Spiral thermodynamically controlled by the LOx.
The flying/winged disc travels in the magnetic field lines of the planet and universe trapping biology in the liquid oxygen delivering the biology to the planet in the process called Panspermia (Greek for spreading seeds)

All viruses come from the upper atmosphere (atmospheric viruses) and Coronavirus and all it’s varieties is the most prevalent virus on planet.
Mother Nature kills off unnatural biology 🧬! Viruses don’t jump species or do they mutate over a few months but a thousand years. And by that time we’ve developed a natural immunity at the same growth rate as the mutation.

You can’t use PCR testing to diagnose a illness end of story!
You can’t use PCR testing above 25X to see what biology is present and the WHO and CDC used 65X blowing the fake pandemic evidence outside the boundaries of scientific evidence into fake news! Then scared you into taking a mRNA software program for your DNA that can’t be removed!
You’re fucked!

Flashback to March 2020:

"We just need 3 weeks of lockdown to flatten the curve, then life can return to normal" -World Governments

Now late July 2021:

"Um, about what we were originally told..." -Awakened people

(we called it right here early on in the Underground, guys, well done!)

info/links/resources (all the below links and narration copied from this Google document) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Q...


Find your local state representatives and send them this information:
https://openstates.org/find_your_legi...
https://www.house.gov/representatives
https://www.senate.gov/senators/senat...
https://www.nacac.org/advocate/how-to...


*We took the v and are suffering side effects and need to be heard (a video of jabbers coming together with serious problems, looking to get help - just released 8/7/21)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/xHZkQm...

*Dr. Ryan Cole - C19 V Side Effects @ Autopsies Summit (wait until you hear about what the autopsy showed) https://www.facebook.com/105510544720...

*1,000 Covid Stories - a website designed to give a voice to those who have been injured and the families of those who have been killed
1000covidstories.com <- THIS is so sad. I cannot believe people are giving this to their children.

*90-95% of the severe patients are vaccinated (Italy admits)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/RCK8Gb... via bitslide

Ask the Experts - Many Doctors Speaking Up About the “Covid Scam” (their words not mine) and the dangers of taking an experimental vaccine that has zero long term studies or animal trials
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/ask-th...

*95% of new severe cases in Israel are fully vaxed. White house admits to blindly trusting whatever the CDC tells them. This one is 2.5 hours long, worth watching all of it.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/lZlrDY...

*Eckhart Tolle - how to protect yourself from toxic beliefs and tech https://www.bitchute.com/video/drrLeW... via bitslide

*Internment camps for US citizens https://www.bitchute.com/video/MA4CS7... via bitslide

*Bill gates talking about overpopulation over and over and about how he's going to solve it https://www.bitchute.com/video/xyX0LF... via bitslide

JRE Episode 1671 feat. Bret Weinstein & Dr. Pierre Kory (leading Ivermectin researcher and doctor exposing how this cheap, highly effective, safe, and widely available treatment is being suppressed intentionally in order for the vax companies to retain their emergency authorization)
https://open.spotify.com/episode/7uVX...

Interim Operational Considerations for Implementing the Shielding Approach to Prevent COVID-19 Infections in Humanitarian Settings (quarantine camps)
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-...

CLAY CLARK HAS QUESTIONS: EPSTEIN, GATES, ELON MUSK, FAUCI, SHOTS - STEW PETERS - JULY 21 2021 - This one is super intense.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/D4Asju...

Covid Passport to Hell (NO!)
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/lucid-...


*LINKS TO SEND TO OFFICIALS:

mRNA inventor Robert Malone calls for Vax halt:
https://news.yahoo.com/single-most-qu... /

Urgent warning from Dr. Peter McCullough: https://www.bitchute.com/video/LKb04b...

Dr. Robert Malone, Inventor of mRNA vaccine technology and CDC representative addresses his concerns:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/yn3u9E...

CDC Representative Dr Peter McCullough, the experimental mRNA inoculations have already caused 50,000 deaths in USA alone according to reporting systems: https://player.fm/series/libertynz-po...

Michael Yeadon - Executive Pfizter scientist warns about the dangers of experimental vaccines: https://www.bitchute.com/video/eqzgyT...

About Half the Cases are Vaccine Failures (probably all of them)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/40aSXq... via bitslide

Pro Vax doctor no longer recommends the Vax: https://www.bitchute.com/video/PaYmGB...

Moderna Representative admits, everyone is part of a huge experiment: https://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...

Dr Byram Brydal, discovered that the synthetic spike protein that your cells are instructed to produce via mRNA transaction is the toxin, causing thrombosis clots, myocarditis, autoimmunity. https://omny.fm/shows/on-point-with-a...

62% of vaxxed patients experienced micro blood clots Dr Charles Hoffe. https://www.globalresearch.ca/canadia...

Patents on genetic sequences from 2002. Funded chimeric research for spike proteins and sequences. Moderna were pre-selling the mRNA Vax on March 28 2019, patents from 2004. Manufactured crisis.

https://rumble.com/vk2bya-exclusive-d...

David Martin, Ryner Fullmich full interview: https://www.bitchute.com/video/9HxsE5...

CDC/ FDA admit they had no virus, when concocting the test. https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2021/...

Sherri Tenpenny - mRNA encapsulated in a polyethylene glycol coating. Paradoxical immune response, pathogenic priming, antibody enhancement.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/iBzZ0G...

Majority of the hospitalized are vaxxed. Stew Peters and Dr Jane Ruby: https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2021/07...

Pfizer Contract Exposed Most Deaths and Hospitalization are Fully Vaccinated People
https://rumble.com/vkjx59-pfizer-cont...

ADE Antibody Dependent Enhancement side effect of mRNA inoculations. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32908...

74% of Infected are fully vaxxed: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-s...

CDC and FDA Withdrawing PCR tests as diagnosis due to extreme inaccuracies. https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/20...

Over 99% of Covid victims had underlying comorbidities, no evidence of any alleged virus killing anyone. https://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ne...

PCR test is scientifically meaningless: https://bpa-pathology.com/covid19-pcr...

Dr Kary Mullis, the inventor of RT-PCR test, the PCR cannot be used to diagnose any infectious disease (and mysteriously died shortly after):
https://roundtablereport.com/?p=6582

"Asymptomatic carrier" is an unprovable fiction, which all Lockdowns and mask mandates are based on. Study of 10 million subjects: https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m...

No Record of SARS-COV-2 isolation, purification anywhere in the world. Canadian health officials (how are they testing for it again?): https://peopleforjusticecanada.com/20...

Preliminary Report on Surgical Mask Induced Deoxygenation During Major Surgery:
http://scielo.isciii.es/pdf/neuro/v19...

CDC report. No evidence that masks reduce respiratory infections: https://alternative-news-source.com/2...

Face masks, a potential source of microplastics: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...

Masks effects in children: https://www.researchsquare.com/articl...

85% of the infected wore masks: https://californiaglobe.com/section-2...

*The big pharma scammers and their enablers
https://www.facebook.com/105510544720...

“They Killed Granny and Now They’re Going to Kill the Kids”
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/they-k...

This all stinks...my gut tells me there's something all wrong about this but what I don't know. money for the big pharmaceuticals, culling the population (especially the elderly who cost the governments most with pensions etc as there are more elderly taking out than young putting in?) I read in one book that in the vaccine will be i.d. markers of which we will not be aware of? It all just feels off, I did go for the first inoculation after some debating with myself and was ill for quite a few weeks, my hubby had large blood clots which he coughed up neither of us are going for a second dose of potential doom especially as the second dose is worse than the first, plus boosters??? no way Moses thanks very much I'd rather take my chances with the covid. We had some paramedics come due to my hubby ill health and they were talking and said that nearly every death or illness was put down as covid so what are the true stats if what they said is true?
Makes me wonder??

This medical whistleblower in Hawaii lays out exactly how they are pulling off this whole scam by mislabelling people as having Covid within the US medical system. Same thing globally. Tens of thousands of such medical whistelowers, whether doctors nurses or lab scientists, have said exactly same for over a year now...

ABRIEN AGUIRRE HAWAII COVID WHISTLEBLOWER https://www.bitchute.com/video/snvoNd...

Beth wrote: "This all stinks...my gut tells me there's something all wrong about this but what I don't know. money for the big pharmaceuticals, culling the population (especially the elderly who cost the govern..."
Thank you so much for your link James it really does confirm what these U.K. paramedics were saying.
I haven't read all this thread so I apologise if I repeat anything already written, next thing is a world wide depression with the rich getting richer and the poor just paying as much as they can until they have nothing left?
Is this part of the NWO? seems those in control only want the muppets left who don't think for themselves but just do as they are told, the few wealthy will have bought up those businesses they desire with the left scrambling to keep going.
I hate to say this as I'm not a quitter but I'm glad my career days are over and am retired, I really don't want a long life but I do want a natural death not to be bumped off cause I cost too much??

Beth wrote: "Beth wrote: "This all stinks...my gut tells me there's something all wrong about this but what I don't know. money for the big pharmaceuticals, culling the population (especially the elderly who co..."

Good one Beth - you should be proud of being on the right side of history on this.

Follow the money...


How much do US hospitals get per Covid case?? Here it is. (https://www.beckershospitalreview.com...)*


Alabama $158,000
*Alaska $306,000*
Arizona $23,000
*Arkansas $285,000*
California $145,000
Colorado $58,000
Connecticut $38,000
Delaware $127,000
District of Columbia $56,000
Florida $132,000
Georgia $73,000
*Hawaii $301,000*
Idaho $100,000
Illinois $73,000
Indiana $105,000
*Iowa $235,000
Kansas $291,000
Kentucky $297,000 *
Louisiana $26,000
*Maine $260,000 *
Maryland $120,000
Massachusetts $44,000
Michigan $44,000
*Minnesota $380,000
Mississippi $166,000
Missouri $175,000
Montana $315,000
Nebraska $379,000*
Nevada $98,000
*New Hampshire $201,000*
New Jersey $18,000
New Mexico $171,000
New York $12,000
*North Carolina $252,000*
*North Dakota $339,000
Ohio $180,000
Oklahoma $291,000
Oregon $220,000*
Pennsylvania $68,000
Rhode Island $52,000
*South Carolina $186,000
South Dakota $241,000
Tennessee $166,000
Texas $184,000*
Utah $94,000
Vermont $87,000
Virginia $201,000
Washington $58,000
*WEST VIRGINIA $471,000
Wisconsin $163,000
Wyoming $278,000*

Wouldn't wanna be in Arizona! They only get $23K per Covid case. Barely worth it financially to be part of the game...

YOWZA!!!!! and this is just the U.S.A. add in the rest of the world just how much money is being made and by whom, if they can afford to pay out this sort of money per Covid case makes you wonder?
I don't care what they try and do we aren't having any more vaccines.
Thanks for your comment James, hadn't thought about it like that but just hope a lot more people do and don't have the poison.

In case anyone still believes the lockdowns and other restrictions are anything related to a virus... Hold my beer and watch this...

COVIDLAND: The Lockdown
https://www.banned.video/watch?id=615...

Long video but am going to watch when I can as seems worth it.

Questioning Covid (The Spectator) https://spectator.com.au/2021/10/ques...
We need answers

In lighting the way out of the nightmare of serial lockdowns, new New South Wales Premier Dominic Perrottet has said three interesting things. Australians are born into freedoms, not granted them as a privilege or concession by governments. Health policy is a subset of the total responsibility of governments which also includes the social, economic and human impacts of public health measures. Following from this, the principal responsibility for health decisions lies with ministers; health experts should be on tap but not on top, to tender advice that ministers accept, modify or reject.

Q1: Governments listened to scientists. What science did the latter base lockdown decisions on to overturn the settled science summarised in the World Health Organisation report in October 2019, which argued against lockdowns and social distancing because they ‘can be highly disruptive, and the cost of these measures must be weighed against their potential impact’?

Q2: How critical, accurate or flawed has Australian modelling been in developing Covid policy?

Q3: Data from around the world are persuasive revalidation of the pre-Covid consensus on the futility of lockdowns. Can we definitively abandon lockdown as a policy tool?

Q4: Are Australians concerned about shifting the needle of governance settings to the CCP model of enforcing obedience to government diktats?

Q5: Were we panicked into unprecedented health-driven restrictions on our daily lives and activities by dodgy data and claims from China totally disproportionate to the criticality of the virus threat to Australians’ health? How can we avoid a repeat of such catastrophism in the future and retain balance and perspective?

Q6: Should we launch an urgent investigation into the reasons for and prevention of thousands of deaths above historical averages?

Q7. Can health experts explain India’s and Indonesia’s striking success in driving down infections and mortality with very low vaccination coverage? Q8. Doesn’t this affect assessment of the necessity for and levels of vaccination in Australia and undermine the argument for domestic vaccination certificates? Q9. Are there lessons to learn from India and Indonesia on Covid-19 prevention and treatment options, medicines and protocols?

Q10. Is it better to prioritise universal coverage among the over-sixties while making vaccines available to all?

Q11. Could population-wide herd immunity be reached sooner and be sturdier through a mix of vaccination of high-risk and infection in the extremely low-risk age groups? Q12. Does waning vaccine efficacy after six months raise concerns about possible long-term harms?

Q13. Does the negative efficacy of vaccines in relation to infections for over-forties suggest that mass testing and contact tracing should end and the focus should be on symptomatic cases only?

https://spectator.com.au/2021/10/ques...

the tyrants seem to be rolling out their dystopian system in roughly alphabetical order... Australia.. Austria... USA and UK may be lucky... Unless they have listed the UK as Britain!

Austria to place millions of unvaccinated people into lockdown https://uk.news.yahoo.com/covid-19-au...

Austria, well.

Pinched this from someone called Dr Zoe Harcombe. Thought members of Underground Knowledge might appreciate it:

Group A thinks this is about health.
Group B thinks this is about CBDC, social credit systems & QR access codes.
Group A thinks B is mad.
Group B thinks A is in for a shock!

Welcome to the future...
"Vaccine passports are the final cog in the machine."

Warning: Don't watch this if you are feeling suicidal... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLjwW...

Lance wrote: "Welcome to the future...
"Vaccine passports are the final cog in the machine."

Warning: Don't watch this if you are feeling suicidal... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLjwW..."

Lance I have been feeling suicidal ever since the COVID scam, forced mask-wearing, mass ‘vaccinations’ and lockdowns began in the U.K. Since my husband died after the double vax, I don’t care if I live, as long as I outlive my little dog companion.

Hang in there, Anni. Many people feel the same way but brighter days are on the horizon.

We're a long time dead, so do everything you can to make the most of the here and now.

Wishing you lots of positivity, happiness and good fortune to come.

Beau wrote: "Hang in there, Anni. Many people feel the same way but brighter days are on the horizon.

We're a long time dead, so do everything you can to make the most of the here and now.

Wishing you lots o..."

Bless you Beau 🙏

Anni wrote: "Lance wrote: "Welcome to the future...
"Vaccine passports are the final cog in the machine."

Warning: Don't watch this if you are feeling suicidal... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLjwW..."
..."

Anni thank god for the love of you for your little dog and his for you. You are still needed in this world to help fight this and give hope to others who may be in the same situation either now or the future. It could have been me in your shoes but thankfully my husband didn't have the second vaccine due to coughing up LARGE blood clots within days of his first, scared the living daylights out of me. Please look after the two of you, you are not alone, my thoughts are still with you.
I echo Beau and wish you lots of positivity, happiness and good fortune to come.

Great video this as the journalists theorize that there is a percentage of society that actually enjoys being nannied in a nanny state (aka the dreaded socialism)

Neil Oliver: 'I think the pandemic is over and the government can't bare to let it go.' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnHL8...

Beth wrote: "Anni wrote: "Lance wrote: "Welcome to the future...
"Vaccine passports are the final cog in the machine."

Warning: Don't watch this if you are feeling suicidal... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=..."

Thank you Beth 🙏

James wrote: "Great video this as the journalists theorize that there is a percentage of society that actually enjoys being nannied in a nanny state (aka the dreaded socialism)

Neil Oliver: 'I think the pandemi..."

As usual, Neil Oliver is right. Our governments don't want to let this go and our media don't want to bite the hand that feeds them. Perhaps if either of these 2 groups abided by the restrictions they set and crave, they might think differently?

Beau wrote: "James wrote: "Great video this as the journalists theorize that there is a percentage of society that actually enjoys being nannied in a nanny state (aka the dreaded socialism)

Neil Oliver: 'I thi..."

Beau wrote: "James wrote: "Great video this as the journalists theorize that there is a percentage of society that actually enjoys being nannied in a nanny state (aka the dreaded socialism)

Neil Oliver: 'I thi..."

That is true, Beau, these sheeple are indoctrinated to enjoy their servitude like lab rats.

Seems like it's too convenient for governments to let this go, Beau...

There appears to have been too much Covid infrastructure and long term investment into Covid "problem solving" to reverse the real problem: politicians gone power mad!

Here in Australia every state has invested billions of dollars into the infrastructure I refer to. Including the gulags, sorry I mean "wellness centres" in the Outback...

People Power will be the only way.

I agree, James. It's a massive industry now, ready to take the place of aviation, hospitality, retail, and all the other ones they're busy destroying. Re Australia, I'm flabbergasted what you guys have gone through. We have had it bad but the Aussie politicians and media have completely lost the plot. They have gone beyond evil to insanely evil.

Anni, I forgot to thank you for something. Late last summer, when I was seething about having to wear a bacteria-ridden rag over my nose and mouth in shops and the like, I read your post about being exempt. It took a while to sink in but in January/ February time of this year, I saw an online article about this, remembered your post and realised that I am exempt too.

'Excuse me, sir, you can't enter here without a mask.'

During the last mask mandate, my initially shy response of 'I don't need one, I'm medically exempt', with growing confidence changed to 'I am exempt' and then to a dismissive 'exempt'. When I went to the shop earlier today, I didn't bother saying anything. Their fight has gone.

A small victory, cynics might even say a 'childish' victory, but a victory nevertheless :)

If I was told I couldn't enter without a mask, I would just leave. But it hasn't happened yet.

I did get into an argument with the supervisor at the post office, but she took my packages anyway. And now I go to a different post office.

Good man, Scott. I remember you cheering on one of our Conservative backbenchers last year, when he gave a stirring speech against restrictions. Unfortunately, they're still in a minority but their numbers are growing.

Graham Brady, the influential leader of the 1922 Committe, has openly said that masks' only purpose is as an instrument of fear. Sir Desmond Swayne MP has described the mask mandates as mumbo jumbo :)

https://twitter.com/DesmondSwayne/sta...

Just mo but while "we" behave ourselves and do as we are told it gives certain people the notion of control?

Beau, what are the medical reasons for not wearing a mask as I didn't realise there were exemptions. (In the U.K.)

Beth, you're right that the rules have been strictly enforced in the UK. However, you do not need a doctor's note to become exempt. You can self certify. There could be any number of reasons for you to do this. Perhaps wearing a mask causes you distress? If so, you are exempt.

If a shopkeeper or security guard were to challenge you, simply say that you're medically exempt. In my experience, that is always enough. If they were to ask me for details I would ask to see the manager because they have no right or legal powers to ask you the question.

I have no idea whether you want to wear a mask or if you have a reason to be exempt from doing so. It's neither mine nor anybody else's business. But if you feel that you need to exempt yourself, just say the magic word when you enter the shop...'exempt'.

Should you know anyone else with a hidden disability, preventing them from wearing a silly, bacteria-ridden piece of cloth over their face, which achieves nothing bar showing their subjugation and ultimately damaging their own health, please pass this message on.

That self-certify thing existed here in OZ too, Beau...

Until they changed the rules and health code. Now you can't just say that and must present a medical exemption certificate on the spot :(

Don't worry, James. They're available from all relevant charities online with no questions asked. Don't go for the silly ebay ones; give about £5 for p&p to a legit charity and you'll get one. It's all in a good cause.

When I was out and about during the last mask mandate, I was eagerly awaiting a comment or rebuke from one of the cultists but without any takers. Hopefully, they'll oblige this time. Seen a few amusing online clips of them getting a knuckle sandwich for their troubles. Thankfully, none as yet have gone to meet their false idol, covid, in the sky. Or rather in the depths of hell, where their abhorent totalitarian ideology belongs.

Yes, the sheeple are wearing their face rags again in the UK, even outdoors, after the latest illegal mandate from Boris. The madness is illustrated by the fact that it’s still OK to sit together as normal in a bar or cafe - ???????

The depths of hell, Beau!

Beau wrote: "Beth, you're right that the rules have been strictly enforced in the UK. However, you do not need a doctor's note to become exempt. You can self certify. There could be any number of reasons for yo..."

Thanks Beau, now I know the magic word great. Have to say I rarely wore them only when going into the hospital on a couple of occasions, hate the flipping bug ridden rags.

Inside Australia's covid concentration camp:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGFdW...

Mindbogglingly shocking, isn't it Scott? How Aussie politicians have the cheek to lecture China, North Korea and the like is beyond me, especially as this is just one of a series of reprehensible acts they've committed over the past year.

One of the comments underneath the video caught my eye:

'The fact that some people don't see anything wrong with this is genuinely terrifying.'

One thing that stood out to me is that they are telling people it is like going on holiday. I'm pretty sure that's exactly what the nazis told the people they were taking away.

Scott wrote: "One thing that stood out to me is that they are telling people it is like going on holiday. I'm pretty sure that's exactly what the nazis told the people they were taking away."

On the nail Scott.

Dr. Oz: It’s Time to ‘Remove’ Fauci https://childrenshealthdefense.org/de...
“I believe Anthony Fauci should be held accountable for misleading, whether willfully or unintentionally, the American public and the United States Congress.”

It’s Beginning to Look a Lot Like Fascism (a Christmas Carol) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4G-1...

Ugh! Let's get rid of Oz and Fauci!

(I wasn't too sure where to post this as Carmel's personal fiefdom appears to have locked itself down due to the 'threat' posed by omiCON. Anyway...)

Carmel, I’ve manned up, had a whole week of rigorous exercise to produce endorphins, listened to guided meditations to send myself to sleep, recognised that you’re a well-meaning chap, and now am just about able to steel myself to engage with you. Further to Lance’s points on one of the other threads and your post on this one (your now disolved thread), here’s another take on putting covid in historical perspective:

UK Government document released in March, 2020:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publica...

Take a look at the Asian Flu of 1957-8 and the Hong Kong Flu of 1968-9. They were both described by the UK Government as ‘moderate influenza pandemics’ and were estimated to have killed between 1 and 4 million people each – an average figure of 2.5 million. At the time of the former, the world’s population was 2.8 billion. At the time of the latter, it was 3.5 billion. If we divide those population figures by the average number of deaths, we see that one in every 1,120 people is estimated to have died in the 1957-8 pandemic, and one in every 1,400 during the 1968-9 outbreak.

Today, the world’s population is 7.9 billion and there have been 5 million deaths attributed to covid. (This figure encompasses a longer time frame than those mentioned above, but I will use it to compare the three pandemics anyway.) This equates to one in every 1,580 people on the planet – a figure less than either the 1957-8 or 1968-9 flu pandemics.

Worth noting that the ’57-8 flu pandemic mainly targeted children, while the ’68-9 one was indiscriminate. The average age of a covid corona flu victim, on the other hand, is roughly the same as the average life expectancy. I’m happy to post a variety of Western governments’ figures, if you don’t believe me.

Also, worth noting too that the UK Government document at the top of my post clearly errs on the side of caution as it estimates the 1918-19 Spanish flu at 25-50 million deaths, while many other commentators reckon it to be closer to 100 million. And, of course, the world’s population was even lower back then.

Final note - there were no financial or political incentives to record deaths a certain way in the real pandemics of the past. I’m happy to expand on this, if you like?

In the past, governments and statisticians were honest about figures. They estimated them because they had to. Nobody can pinpoint the deathrate of an airborne virus where the most common symptoms are mild to no symptoms – it’s simply not possible.

The big problem for us now is that many countries are using a ‘died with not necessarily of’ counting method, so anybody who dies within 28 days of a positive test, for whatever reason, is classified as a virus victim. And the number of tests being carried out is astronomical. This clearly provides a grossly inflated deathrate. It really does beggar belief how people are falling for it.

An even bigger problem for the average Joe is that, unlike in past pandemics, almost the entire world locked down for the covid corona flu and people had the fear of God put into them by the most expensive government-sponsored fear campaign in history. This resulted in operations and treatments being cancelled, as well as many people being too frightened to attend the appointments that stood. By any reasonable logic, this will have caused and will continue to cause a huge increase in excess mortality – another figure attributed by the cultists as ‘proof’ of the deadliness of this ‘pandemic’.

The only way we could tell how deadly the covid corona flu really is would be to see the figures of those dying on ventilators with classic covid corona flu symptoms. For some reason, I can’t get hold of these figures. Can you?

I wanted to creatively force Carmel into our already existing threads on same topics, Beau...

And seen as how he loves lockdowns so much, I figured carmel wouldn't mind his little stats thread being put into lockdown :)

I went to an urgent care facility the other day for an unrelated issue and an older guy came in to be tested. I heard him say that he can't wait for all this nonsense to be over. I wanted to say IT WOULD BE IF YOU PEOPLE WOULD STOP GETTING TESTED!

Scott, work colleagues were talking about who'd had covid and asked me if I'd ever had it. I said I think I did back in Jan 2020 but don't know for sure as I've only ever taken 1 test, which was mandatory when I went to visit my nan in her care home. They were amazed I didn't get tested.

I know dozens of sane, rational, intelligent, likeable people who take these tests on a regular basis for no apparent reason. You are spot on - they ARE the problem. What is it all about? Supplying the 'data' to keep justifying the restrictions. Crazy!