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Extract from ‘For the Win’ by Cory Doctorow (reviewed by me on GR ) which shows how the pandemic con trick worked - and how it will eventually fail :-

“Confidence makes value. Value makes more value, which makes more confidence. Which makes more value.
But it’s not infinite. Think of a cartoon character who runs off a cliff and keeps running madly in place, able to stay there until someone points out that he’s dancing on air, at which point he plummets to the sharp rocks beneath him.
For so long as everyone believes in the value of a Svartalfheim sword, the sword will be valuable, and get more valuable. As the pool of people who might buy a Svartalheim sword grows – say, because they’re getting calls from their brokers offering to sell them elaborate, complex sword futures (a contract to buy a sword at a later date), or because their smart-ass nieces and nephews are talking them up – the likelihood that someone will say. 'Are you kidding me? This is a sword in a video game!' goes up.
Confidence is great, but it isn’t everything. Reality catches up with everyone, eventually. All cartoon characters eventually plummet to the bottom of the canyon. And every sword is eventually worthless.”

I had the phone put down on me by my brother (I said he was a sheeple for believing everything he was told by the government and the MSM) and we didn’t speak to each other for six months! However, I’ve managed to ‘turn’ my best friend who is now on our wavelength.

Awesome Anni. I'm assuming your bro got vaxxed tho...

James wrote: "Awesome Anni. I'm assuming your bro got vaxxed tho..."

Yes, he did. He goes along with any ‘science’ because he’s a geologist and called me a conspiracy theorist for being an anti-vaxxer and listening to alternative, independent channels.

RWS wrote: "Hahaa yeah I can definitely relate to that Beth.

But these days I only bother with the people that are open-minded enough to actually take on board what I'm saying. For example, if someone comes ..."

Yup have to laugh about it myself now but at the time he was so dogmatic and pompous I didn't just say that but more and it was VERY much ruder...whoops!! (not apologising until he says he was wrong!) thinks I'll have a long wait...lol
Nice to know RWS I'm not alone.

Beau wrote: "Funny you say that, Beth. I've been quiet lately because I've been busy packing boxes, ready to move. We're stopping in England but moving closer to family and friends before the powers that be dec..."

Hope you have a found a great place and will be happy, must say don't envy you all the unpacking at the other end!!!!! but it will be worth it.
PLEASE DON'T LEAVE US...

Anni wrote: "I had the phone put down on me by my brother (I said he was a sheeple for believing everything he was told by the government and the MSM) and we didn’t speak to each other for six months! However, ..."

Hi Anni thanks for the recommended book it was ace.
Lol, At least neither I'm not alone with the phone stuff!!, why when faced at having to look at an alternative view do some people just get "difficult" and bolshie with you?? no wonder I lost it but glad for you that you made it up with your brother that is too close to home.

For any (like me until recently) who can't make sense of the pandemic, check this out. It will help clarify a lot of the chaos going on around us, who the big players are and what their end game is.

Note the learned gentleman's description of the pandemic: "A PCR test plandemic". He claims this (latest) plandemic is a continuation of the swine flu pandemic, which he describes as a failed exercise for those behind it (the likes of Gates and other global elites) to control the rest of us.

Note also the World Economic Forum has a lot to answer to. Nuremberg 2 can't happen quick enough!

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/...

Hate to say it but no surprise...cabal and NWO as we have already stated here before but still a good find Lance it confirms all /most of our thoughts and feeling about this vaccine and false pandemic.

Joe Rogan on Canadian Truckers, GoFundMe, & Covid Mandates in Canada https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8AFt...

Good for the guy, time someone spoke out. What the heck happened to the go fund me money for the truckers?
How are they allowed to just arbitrarily give it elsewhere and not for the intended people....that's just immoral and fraudulent surely, I for one would be kicking up if I had given to that site for the truckers. Now I would ever give to go fund me.

I believe some lawyers have prevented them from stealing the money and they are supposed to be refunding it all.

Scott wrote: "I believe some lawyers have prevented them from stealing the money and they are supposed to be refunding it all."

I sincerely hope so Scott with extra too after that, it's just obscene and dishonorable not a site I would ever endorse now.

These people think they can do anything.

They soon won't be allowed to do ANYTHING, Scotty. #TheGreatAwakeningWillCancelTheGreatReset

I don't know, man, I am still not optimistic. Everyone I know is still deep into the narrative.

Scott wrote: "I don't know, man, I am still not optimistic. Everyone I know is still deep into the narrative."

I'm on the fence Scott. Can't decide whether there ever will be a great awakening. Being an eternal optimist I'd like to think there will be, but the sheeple's response thus far to those driving the plandemic has caused me to wonder if it will ever happen.

I think they will just call whatever breaks into their illusion "fake news," indefinitely. I mean Rogan (who I don't personally like) had the scientist who developed the vaccine on--how do you get closer to the truth than that?--and they still dismiss it because it's Rogan.

In fact plenty of people in science have spoken out in various venues but they still don't think it's real science somehow. Only the ones they like are real science.

Seriously I do believe there will be a great awakening then heaven help the elites and cabals cause the people will want their pound of flesh for what has been done to them and will take it.

I would love to see it but I feel the majority of people are too lobotomized to realize or care.

At the moment yes it maybe so Scott but more and more people are seeing the truth it's just that the media is controlled so nothing is written against the cabals directive.

This is like the proverbial snowball rolling down the mountain at the moment it starts it's small but just gets bigger and bigger as it rolls? Soon, when don't know but it will hit these barstewards and then they will know.

Beth wrote: "Seriously I do believe there will be a great awakening then heaven help the elites and cabals cause the people will want their pound of flesh for what has been done to them and will take it."

The Great Awakening has been occurring for some time.
The evildoers are playing their part, they have awoken 10 to 100 times more people than ever before...Ultimately, that's Game Over!

James wrote: "Beth wrote: "Seriously I do believe there will be a great awakening then heaven help the elites and cabals cause the people will want their pound of flesh for what has been done to them and will ta..."

I reckon it’s all over for the cabal’s narrative in the U.K. now that all the covid restrictions are cancelled This turnaround is thanks largely to the elite’s puppets in government giving the game away by partying without masks.

Scott wrote: "I would love to see it but I feel the majority of people are too lobotomized to realize or care."

It's interesting...If you recall many if not most of those being demonized (a la Michael Yeadon, Malone and indeed all scientists and doctors speaking out against covid vaccines, mandates, pcr testing regimes etc.) had stellar reputations prior to their coming out?

For example old Google reports (if you can still source them) show Yeadon and Malone were highly respected and sought after for speaking at science conferences etc. etc. Now you'd think they're the devil incarnate!

It's still not finished they are talking about another 4th vax plus a yearly top up vaccine for covid here in the U.K. many people are still blind but one day will see. Seems that they are also planning another virus when don't know ...fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me!!!
Trouble is in their schemes this was just one of their machinations, a little part of the whole?
Ultimately you are right James it is game over but there are a few battles to fight first!

Yes but I am dancing my freedom dance in advance Beth :) Victory!

James wrote: "Yes but I am dancing my freedom dance in advance Beth :) Victory!"

LOL. Love it go James go I'm with you too. TO VICTORY.

If they are to wake up it will take something far more glaring than a spike in myocarditis among healthy, athletic people. But what? A mass die-off?

Have faith Scott it will happen don't know how just know it will then those responsible will pay. That snowball will become an avalanche!!

Beth wrote: "James wrote: "Yes but I am dancing my freedom dance in advance Beth :) Victory!"

LOL. Love it go James go I'm with you too. TO VICTORY."

This is about to be an amazing time to be alive, Beth. Covid fiasco has been the catalyst to awaken so much of the planet now and more and more every day -- even remember that 30-50% of the vaccinated didn't want to get vaxxed but felt they had no choice due to mandates and threats. So this is all wayyyyy closer to tipping point than many realize and the tiny Elitist minority are getting nervous...Still tho, I always felt that the Elites were losing control (due to the increasing consciousness of the planet) before 2020 and this Covid scam was essentially their last throw of the dice to somehow maintain control...

James wrote: "Beth wrote: "James wrote: "Yes but I am dancing my freedom dance in advance Beth :) Victory!"

LOL. Love it go James go I'm with you too. TO VICTORY."

This is about to be an amazing time to be ali..."

Too right James the people are going to be absolutely incredulous and very angry when they start to get the full information about this prison planet. Let's hope they aren't all off world?

Open a bottle of plonk and CHEERS, here's to the best future not a fake one.

Deception through the media has been the elite greatest weapon, I hope that it will get a thorough clean-up soon, from top to bottom. If this won't happen, many millions more will continue to be fooled and manipulated all over this world.

Bonaventura wrote: "Deception through the media has been the elite greatest weapon, I hope that it will get a thorough clean-up soon, from top to bottom. If this won't happen, many millions more will continue to be fo..."

You're right Bonaventura they own the media but things are changing lets celebrate the first of our victories and here's to the future ones as we will overcome them, for sure.
The elites, cabal's and the "rest" will be fighting to survive the avalanche coming their way!

Bonaventura wrote: "Deception through the media has been the elite greatest weapon, I hope that it will get a thorough clean-up soon, from top to bottom. If this won't happen, many millions more will continue to be fo..."

I agree with you - the media are the last bastion to be toppled, and that must happen for the masses to wake up from their induced psychosis.

Andrew Hill’s Stunning Video Admission: He Skuttled Ivermectin For Money

Dear Friends,

What is your life worth? More to the point, what is your loved one’s life worth? When the world experienced an average of nearly 15,000 COVID deaths per day, Dr. Andrew Hill decided on the price of a human life.

In October 2020, Dr. Hill was tasked to report to the World Health Organization on the dozens of new studies from around the world suggesting that Ivermectin could be a remarkably safe and effective treatment for COVID-19.

But on January, 18th, 2021, Dr. Hill published his research findings. Surprisingly, his methods lacked rigour, the review was low quality and the extremely positive findings on ivermectin were contradicted by the conclusion. At the conclusion, Dr Hill advised that “Ivermectin should be validated in larger appropriately controlled randomized trials before the results are sufficient for review by regulatory authorities.”

The researcher seeking a global recommendation on Ivermectin had instead recommended against it. What were his reasons for doing so? Were his conclusions justified? Or were external forces influencing his about-face?

One year later, this film recalls exactly what happened from the perspective of somebody that experienced it first hand: Dr Tess Lawrie. It also features contributions from Dr. Pierre Kory and Dr. Paul Marik who worked closely with Dr. Hill during the same time frame.

https://deeprootsathome.com/andrew-hi...

“The story of Ivermectin has highlighted that we are at a remarkable juncture in medical history. The tools that we use to heal and our connection with our patients are being systematically undermined by relentless disinformation stemming from corporate greed. The story of Ivermectin shows that we as a public have misplaced our trust in the authorities and have underestimated the extent to which money and power corrupts.” ~Dr. Tess Lawrie

As the quote goes "power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely". (Lord Acton).

The vast majority of the world still classifies a "depopulation program in progress" as rubbish, yet many have seen the video clip from [Billy goat] in a private hall meeting with hundreds of his accomplices, as he said regarding the population number of this world, "If we do a really good job, we can lower that number by 15% or more". We have seen all the actions the elite have taken to do that, starting with the elderly, and spreading it like wildfire, as they got results by thousands upon thousands of dead people, banning the use of the two known drugs which we all know to be effective in saving lives, and presenting their own alternative to euthanize as many as they could. Yet people are still blindly following the lies, the tyranny, and the corruption, completely brainwashed by the media, believing they are taking a vaccine when in truth that is far from it. Even the Bayer executive, Stefan Oelrich (their President) announced in the Berlin World Health Organisation, October 24-26, 2021, that it is not a vaccine but a "cell and gene therapy" which would have been rejected by the public under those wordings, so they called it a vaccine to make it palatable for the public. The real fight is not on yet as they now are working on starting the second phase of their plans. Wars.

Bonaventura wrote: "The vast majority of the world still classifies a "depopulation program in progress" as rubbish, yet many have seen the video clip from [Billy goat] in a private hall meeting with hundreds of his a..."

We have won one small battle so lets celebrate it as the first of many but we WILL win the war. There are too many of us onto them now and it will get larger...the proverbial snowball!
People will start to wonder about those Georgia Guide Stones before long (at least I hope so).

It'll be a snowball for the ages, Beth

James wrote: "It'll be a snowball for the ages, Beth"

LOL...Ooh YES James (have that on good authority!)
Off topic here but how can I get telegram on laptop without smart phone, any ideas?

Don't know if it belongs here, but I plan to read "Lockdown" by Peter May after the books I'm currently reading. Has anyone here read it? If so what did you think?

Harmony wrote: "Don't know if it belongs here, but I plan to read "Lockdown" by Peter May after the books I'm currently reading. Has anyone here read it? If so what did you think?"

Yes it belongs here Harmony and no I haven't read it. Do let us know if you recommend it. Thanks.

On the subject of lockdowns, I note, Down Under at least, where lockdowns have been the default setting for various administrations, violence including gang violence has spiked noticeably. The rise in violence in centres that have imposed the strictest lockdowns - e.g. Melbourne, in AU - report much higher levels of violence. Ditto here in NZ where violence, especially gang violence, is higher than it has ever been. Not helped by a socialist govt. that panders to the offenders of course.

6 May 2022: NEWS FLASH!
"Covid deaths top 15 million. "

Is that a mischievous headline or what?

Today, A.P. reports "The World Health Organization estimates that nearly 15 million people were killed either by coronavirus or by its impact on overwhelmed health systems during the first two years of the pandemic, more than double the current official death toll of over 6 million."

The key takeaway from that statement is "were killed either by coronavirus or by its impact on overwhelmed health systems"...

Firstly, the vast majority didn't die OF covid, they died WITH it. (Gunshot and motor accident victims included in several extreme cases I'm personally aware of, including a young gunshot victim here in NZ).

And health systems weren't overwhelmed by covid itself, they were overwhelmed for a whole variety of reasons - one of those being they were (often very) short-staffed because the lay-offs of mandated/unvaxxed doctors and nurses left huge gaps in hospital staff numbers.

Healthcare workers who had to self-isolate because they tested positive to covid (courtesy of the equally mischievous [corrupt?] PCR testing parameters) is yet another reason health systems were, and are still, overwhelmed.

It's time to expose mischievous reporting on Covid-19 for what it is: falsehoods and propaganda.

Lance wrote: "6 May 2022: NEWS FLASH!
"Covid deaths top 15 million. "

Is that a mischievous headline or what?

Today, A.P. reports "The World Health Organization estimates that nearly 15 million people were ki..."

Well said Lance, you summed it up perfectly.

Hi Lance:

Is there anywhere (a website perhaps) one can get accurate numbers?
I'd like to know the REAL risks facing a septuagenarian like me (and you).
If I get COVID, will it be game over for me (and you)?

Thanks to your book, I now know how risky vaccines are.
I've even heard of middle-aged people dying despite their taking ALL the boosters.
Are boosters a good bet for people like me (and you)?
What do the real numbers say?

Any words of wisdom?

Best regards.
Carmel.

Carmel wrote: "Hi Lance:

Is there anywhere (a website perhaps) one can get accurate numbers?
I'd like to know the REAL risks facing a septuagenarian like me (and you).
If I get COVID, will it be game over for me..."

Carmel, I get a lot of my info close to home from the New Zealand Doctors Speaking Out With Science (NZDSOS) site @ https://nzdsos.com/ - Membership includes 4500+ doctors, nurses and other health professionals. This site will answer most of your questions relating to actual Rona case nos., death rates etc.

As for any words of wisdom... Not sure I'm qualified to give your good self words of wisdom other thank keep an open mind and question every thing... Misinformation is rife.

Can you believe this?

The World Health Organization will soon have power over every aspect of our lives. Imagine the civil liberties abuses of the Covid lockdowns, but permanent...

https://video.foxnews.com/v/630650027...

Lance wrote: "Can you believe this?

The World Health Organization will soon have power over every aspect of our lives. Imagine the civil liberties abuses of the Covid lockdowns, but permanent...

https://video..."

OMG....it just gets worse the attempts to control the populous is unreal, just what gives them the right?

In 2020 and most of 2021, I wasn't suspicious because as a dedicated environmentalist I am quite concerned about the thawing of the permafrost. Basically, "stuff" that's been frozen for 10K yrs and longer is thawing. Who knows what's living in this "stuff"? - Germs, bacteria...
Hence, when the "bat-story" hit, my response was, "Well, how do we know what the bats ate?"

This year, I changed my view. Only about two thirds of Americans is fully vaccinated. Of course, people who had Covid, achieved some degree of immunity too.

Still, why is it that the topic suddenly "dropped off the radar"?

I myself got vaccinated twice, plus 1 booster, but no second booster though I'd qualify. I did not have any side effect and can't complain about anything, but I am going to wait with the 2nd booster until I find out more.

Gisela wrote: "In 2020 and most of 2021, I wasn't suspicious because as a dedicated environmentalist I am quite concerned about the thawing of the permafrost. Basically, "stuff" that's been frozen for 10K yrs and..."

No doubt the majority are at the ready....."Jab me with anything!" they cry.

Seriously though, it's dropped off the radar Gisela because people are becoming jaded. They need to be alarmed by the arrival of a new virus even scarier than the last. And here it is... Moneypox!

Last I heard there's 746 million people in the EU and 100 are infected. It must be PANIC TIME!